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Removed the Injector rail and repressurized it again.
No visiable leaks at the injector rail seals, No leaks from the injector tips, and No leaks from the vacuum line of the fuel pressure regulator. But its still not holding pressure. |
<New Update: After 30 minutes, the fuel pressure has dropped to 42psi. Im loosing pressure slowly. Would the injector seals cause this?
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Thank you Mr Dalton..
Update. 1. Reinstalled the Fuel Rail 2. No signal to the Fuel Relay as you described.. Changed the OVP relay. And my goodness, it STARTED! ! ! :D :D 3. Currently: the idle is bad and missing some. It cut off a few times. Have white smoke. Is this normal? Should I take for a test drive to correct this? But, THANKS to all for your help thusfar.. Big Progress made today! Especially You Mr Dalton!! :thumbup: |
Very Good..
The OVP was dropping power to ECU.. Run it for a hard run up a hill to clear the lines of air and stuff. Then if it still misses , change the 3 plug connectors under the 3 coils...they fail terribly on that engine and are worth change regardless.. |
Will do! I will order the Plug connectors today along with a new OVP (as Im using my old backup OVP)..
Update: Test Drive was successful.. My vacuum pump is still on under the hood.. Dont know whats causing that pump to stay on but I will check that over the weekend... Im all good here guys!! :vbac47679 Thanks again for your help! |
Make sure you also have F8DC4 plugs in that motor.
Plats don't like that 104 engine. The F8DC4 are cheap, too..standard Bosch plug. Can get them here with the plug connectors. http://catalog.worldpac.com/mercedesshop/sophio/quote.jsp?clientid=catalog.mercedesshop&cookieid=21H0MN3YU2A910G9G7&baseurl=http://catalog.peachparts.com/&partner=mercedesshop&year=1995&product=F1010-84561&application=000357354 Also, check the connector plug the OVP plugs into..they can get burnt up from the OVP not being completely plugged in all the way..you have to hold the plug from the bottom with your other hand to make sure there is a good snap connection b/c the socket is not secured to the chassis panel as one would expect....common mistake made when one changes the OVP . |
Believe it or not, I do regular maintenance on this car..
Yes, I have the el cheapo Bosch F8DC4 plugs (after reading the post by Phil; changed out the month old expensive BKR5EIX NGK Iridium plugs) . I changed them in the fall along with changing all coolant lines & some engine vaccum hoses. Also I removed the dash and changed all of the hvac control vacuum elements. Im in the process of replacing the door lock elements (rear doors are done, fronts door are more difficult). My OVP connection did not snap. Rechecking now for a snap. Unplugged and replugged.. No snap.. Tight but no snap.. I dont even see a groove for snapping.. R U sure it snaps?? |
What I mean by snap is that it is fully seated and plugged all the way in......that's all.
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Arthur,
For future reference, can we determine what caused the OVP to burn out (& the fuse not blowing). I know you are probably saying I think to much again, but I would just like to understand the sequence of events that triggered this. Im assuming that the OVP relay was thrown by the ECU due to dropping fuel pressure. Which sensor(s) monitors the fuel pressure? I never got a Check Engine light. Was a code ever stored? Where, SRS system? Is there a writeup thread here somewhere that decribes (at a high level) the sequence of events during startup? |
<Which sensor(s) monitors the fuel pressure?>
None..No FP sensors..that is why there is the Test Port. The FP regulator keeps the FP at a constant specified operating pressure so that the fuel supply to each injector is always the same. The amount of fuel to each piston/cyl is controlled by the electrical pulse width/time the injector is held open. That is ECU managements job and it uses many sensor inputs when doing these mix/load mapping calculations. The system is fully Electronic. If the fuel pressure is not at correct pressure spec zone to begin with, then you could get a Fuel Trim code b/c the ECU could not correct for FP too high or low..which is why one of the first checks with a fuel trim code is fuel pressure regulator. [ the other being possible vac leak] The mapping parameters of the ECU injector width sig needed to satisfy the required engine fuel demands are calculated by design with the known factor of the fuel pressure being in spec..this pressure is not controlled by ECU, it is a design spec of the fuel pump and regulator flow.[Fuel delivery system] The ECU simply EXPECTS that pressure spec to be maintained constant by that system.. and those specs are the ones I listed for you to verify with your TEST PORT and gauge chart. Those spec have to be verified FIRST on a suspected fuel flow complaint/diagnosis.............as you can see, if the Fuel Pressure is not kept in the spec zone at all times , then the AMOUNT of gas flowing thru an injector with a certain time width sig will be higher or lower than the engine is calling for b/c of too high/low of the FP pressure. The ECU can correct for this in a small % amount using it's sensors feedback Engine Management control system, but that has its trim limitations...One can easily verify this by taking a scope reading at the 02 sensor and watch that signal go instantly Overly-RICH by simply taking the vac line off the FP regulator..what has changed ??? nothng, except the fuel pressure has now increased beyond spec b/c of no regulation and that increase has allowed too much fuel to go thru the injector at the same injector open time...see what I mean??? [ look at FP chart and notice the pressure spec is HIGHER with vac line disconnected] This higher pressure test in included in the chart b/c that test is used to check the FULL capacity of the pumps/system, not the running/regulated pressure. Note that there are 3 test on FP..one is with regulation, one without, and then one for holding pressure. All must be met. The first two are with/without vac activation of Regulator and the last is check valve sealing/holding test at the pump outlet check valve . [ or leaking inj./lines/etc] As far as OVP is concerned, the FP had nothing to do with OVP failure. OVP is nothing more than a voltage spike protection device [ smart fuse] that uses Zenier Resistor/diode circuits to limit ECU voltage feed specs. Most OVP failures on that engine are manufacturer component defects and the new modified OVP will be sent to you when you order it. The original over-voltage relay MB # 000-540-52-45 is to be be replaced with 000-540-67-45. MB issued info (internal bulletin) on that problem back in 1996 OVP can also blow from improper jump starting the car... a bad fuse will be indicated by ABS lamp, but a bad OVP does not always have a blown fuse , as that is an amp feed protection and not a part of the voltage spike protection circuit. I believe I posted that info for you before, which is what it turned out to be. The FP relay turns on for 1-2 secs when the key is turned just to get FP to the rail of a car that has lost the residual pressure from long standing...your problem is the relay got NO signal from ECU once the engine had started ..that is where the ECU and rpm sig mapping come into play, but with no OVP feed to ECU, nothing would work . That's about all I can tell ya..... I can see you have an interest in understanding HFM/SFI system operation, so , for more technically detailed and accurate system specific info, you may want to check into the Service CD set ..these systems are in there and I think you can get one here ..see them sometimes on Ebay , too |
Thanks for the great explanation Arthur. BTW, the blown OVP relay was a new one installed 2 years ago 000-540-67-45. My backup OVP relay is also a new one with the same part number. Just strange that it blew coincedently during this event.
I will read more about HFM/SFI system operation. I do own an old CD set (WIS_09_2004) but it always comes up in German and I have never taken the time to corret that. I will take the time now! BTW, I found another relay for the Aux Fans thats exactly like the green Fuel Pump relay.. These relays can be swapped for testing possible relay failure. Again thanks for your help.. Ending this thread.. |
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