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W210 M112 Stall & no start
My new-to-me W210 decided to stall earlier today in the middle of rush-hour traffic, and refused to fire (but did crank).
I had to push it out of the main road and onto a side-street where (naturally) it started right up first time I turned the key, and the rest of the journey was uneventful, except for the CEL that's now lit up on my dash. Is this a typical symptom of an impending CPS failure?
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-- Steven Harrison 1993 300E2.8 - 196K 2001 E320 4MATIC - 86K |
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sounds like it. get the codes read to verify but my money is on the crank sensor.
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did it eventually start? how long did it take?
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It took a couple of minutes (I had two people in the car with me) to push it along the main road to the next side street, and when I got it there I tried starting it and it fired right up. It was maybe 5-10 minutes between it stalling and restarting again.
It's a CPO'd car and I've barely had it a month (I bought it on 26/12/07) so it's going in for a warranty repair, but they couldn't get me in until Monday - how likely is it that this will be happening again?
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-- Steven Harrison 1993 300E2.8 - 196K 2001 E320 4MATIC - 86K |
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Quote:
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1967 250 S 1967 280SE 1968 250S 1971 280 SE 1973 220 1974 280 S 1975 450 SEL 1976 220 D 1979 300SD 1983 300 SD 1985 230 TE euro 1986 280SL 1986 500 SEL euro 1986 190E 2.3 1990 300 SE 2003 C230 K 2004 C230 K 1987 560SEL 1987 300SDL now in canada 2005 C230 1998 C43 AMG Sold to DON 1993 190E 2.6 300TD Former daily driver Totaled current: R320 CDI Ram 2500 Cummins |
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My wife took the W210 to work, she reported that the CEL was no longer lit *sigh*
It's still going in to be looked at on Monday.
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-- Steven Harrison 1993 300E2.8 - 196K 2001 E320 4MATIC - 86K |
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The code will still be stored in the ME control unit.
I agree its most likey the crank sensor |
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if you want to sort of verify it to yourself, with the hood shut, run the engine at a higher rpm for a few minutes- it will "heat-soak" the sensor and cause the engine to shut off if it is in fact the cps. It will definitly set a code if not before and illuminate the CEL.
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Will it only happen if the car is stationary? Would the engine shut off if the car is moving?
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-- Steven Harrison 1993 300E2.8 - 196K 2001 E320 4MATIC - 86K |
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It can, but usually this is done in park.
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Took the car in this past Monday to the dealer where they agreed with me (and everyone here) that the CPS was the most likely culprit.
They gave me a rather nice '07 C230 Sport to drive while it was being serviced, and I picked up my W210 on Tuesday, and so far no more stalling. *crosses fingers* Edit: 200th post! woooo!
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-- Steven Harrison 1993 300E2.8 - 196K 2001 E320 4MATIC - 86K Last edited by smharr4; 02-07-2008 at 12:39 PM. |
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