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Purchasing an older Mercedes: Comments welcome
Hello,
This is my first post. I'm considering getting a Mercedes, and have a bias to S's. I drove an 88 560 SEL today. It has records and 160k miles, and the price is 2500. I'm inclined to go for it. There was an odd vibration at 35 mph, but it may have been the road. I have a gut feeling I could drive it for a year without any further maintenance. The car belongs, of course, to an older couple who want to cut their losses. Anyway, I could take it to a mechanic etc. But I'm kind of inclined to just get it. This is not normally like me, but I need a car on the east coast and NJ has some bumpy roads. Anyway, your experience and advice on a good match on reliability and handling/comfort appreciated. Michael 46 years Point Pleasant Beach, NJ 08742 |
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First, welcome.
There is no older Mercedes in existence you could drive for the rest of the year without any further maintenance. These are great old cars, but when they break down you'd better have a couple grand in the bank ready to let go of. If I were you, I wouldn't consider for one millisecond buying a car that hasn't been looked over by a mechanic that knows older Benz's. The price seems very fair, btw... Good Luck and have fun, -GH
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Michael, pay a MB-trained tech who is intimately familiar with that vintage MB automobile to perform a PPI (pre-purchase inspection). That way you will know if any expensive repairs are pending. The fact that the older owners "want to cut their losses" is cause for concern. There's no way I would consider that 560SEL without a PPI.
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Fred Hoelzle Last edited by Ferdman; 03-16-2009 at 10:30 AM. |
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I agree. A PPI is imperative. The cost is nothing compared to possible necessary repairs. MBZs are expensive to repair - parts & labor. This is why we're all here exchanging info to do our maintenance. MBZs will last forever assuming they are taken care of (regular maintenance), so get the blessing of an MBZ mechanic and enjoy a great car. By the way, many of us don't consider an '88 an old car. Check out the vintage section. Welcome and happy motoring!
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there is a reason why they are cutting their losses.
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I would have it checked if you are unfamiliar with the car. They are nice and they certainly will run for a year on normal maintenance, oil change etc... but that would assume they have had reasonable care to that point in time.
I just bought a 300SEL and have spent a whopping $200 on scheduled maintenance and its looks and runs very well.
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Good posts above. I'd recommend buying the car only if you are willing and able to do the work yourself. Otherwise you'll quickly get disenchanted with a car that needs repair and maintenance that costs more than the purchase price of the car in a short amount of time.
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or stay with 240 or 300diesels, they're much simpler to work & run, more forgiving.
These gasser can be exp if u need any work on it.
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There is nothing more expensive than a cheap Mercedes.
The 560SEL is a FANTASTIC car but if you're not mechanically inclined step away from the light, do not go to the light! When I first got mine I never realized the abuse it had gone through by pure neglect. It took me at first twice what I paid for to get it stabilized but I insisted on learning about the car throughout that ordeal. Now for the last five years I have been the exclusive mechanic to all of my Benz cars and I managed to get the 560SEL to pass the 300K miles and it's driving like a dream. All this at a cost but I never regretted the learning, the passion and the love for taking care of such a lady. |
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Nothing false posted above. I had an 84 500 SEC which had 80k on it when I bought it and 140 when I sold. It was probably as cheap or cheaper to maintain than a similar car with the venerable 617 diesel. It used a lot more fuel but was simple to maintain. The engines are very robust as well as all mechanical parts. If they have had basic maintenance according to the book they can be very very reliable.
Get it checked though.
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If you can turn a wrench, are willing to take on a project and have the resources to spend on a lot of parts, go for it. If not, don't buy it.
I bought my first MB, an 83 380 sel, almost 2 years ago. It was cheap, $1500, but have spent about twice that amount in bringing it up to snuff. I love the car, and have enjoyed working on it, but if I wasn't a fairly competent shade tree mechanic, and had the help and advise of this forum, it would have been a nightmare.
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By all means, have a MB tech do the PPI. Buyers remorse is not fun to live with. If the timing chain, guide and tensioners need to be replaced, it alone, done by a private MB shop will cost you 1500-1700. You need the PPI. Dennis
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Very crucial for me as well.
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1981 300TD 2005 C55 2004 E500 1999 ML430 1992 400E 1998 C43 2001 SL500 1988 300SEL 1986 190E 16V 1991 190E 2.6 |
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If you're not a mechanic, make friends with somebody who is. Definitely have it inspected first so you go into this with your eyes open. Aside from being great cars, Mercedes seem to attract some really nice people as owners. Since I've been on this forum, I've met some of the nicest people I've ever known. The friends 2re easily worth the price of admission.
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Might also consider replacing the lifters while it's all apart. And, you will need to think about gas money - gas isn't going to stay at $2/gal forever. I doubt you would see 20mpg often, if ever.
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