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Bzoo 08-31-2009 02:32 PM

hesitation stumbling on acceleration....STILL
 
Hey guys,,and girls too.
92 400E. New plugs, wires, rotors, coils,,all new vacume lines, tech 3 months,...dealer two weeks,...pressure at fuel rail 65lbs...hit the gas under load and the pressure is maintained or even jumps about 5 lbs...does not drop at all.
New maf but i did not do anything to tune it to the car. I read that it needs to be matched but Im not familiar with that. I thought it is plug and play. Slow acceleration and the engine runs perfectly...reaching cruising speed..perfect...only under acceleration either moderate or aggressive....aggressive is worse. Any ideas would be great.

Brian

bsmuwk 08-31-2009 06:54 PM

I had something similar on my 300CE.

Crank position sensor.

Bzoo 09-04-2009 06:11 PM

Thanks Allen the crank sensor was replaced with the tune up. Anyone else in the brain trust have any idea. The independant doesnt know what else it might be.......the dealer doesn't know what else it might be.

spit64 09-06-2009 08:32 AM

My problem is the same but in the winter the problem does not exist only in the summer tried a new mass air sensor but no change fuel pressure is ok have not checkt the fuel volume becuse I don't now where I jump so the fuel pumps run with ignition on.
Fuel pumps are not old in my car the car is 1994 E320.

There is no code thinking of the coil but my first thought was mass air sensor since the problem seems to be temperature sensitive.

Oracle12345 09-06-2009 10:52 AM

Have you checked the fuel injectors to see if they have the right spray pattern/atomization?
Other things to consider are the distribition pipe, diaphram pressure regulator.
Seems to me if it was anything electrical the check engine light should be on.

Bzoo 09-07-2009 08:02 AM

I don't know how to check the injector spray pattern, I do know the car has just over 200K. I thought about the pressure regulator at the rail but Im reading stable pressure. The car has one new fuel pump and one older one but again stable pressure. There is a brand new MAF. I read on onethread about disconnecting th o2 sensor and driving but I dont understand that theory.
Thanks for the help.
Brian

Oracle12345 09-07-2009 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bzoo (Post 2288065)
I don't know how to check the injector spray pattern, I do know the car has just over 200K. I thought about the pressure regulator at the rail but Im reading stable pressure. The car has one new fuel pump and one older one but again stable pressure. There is a brand new MAF. I read on onethread about disconnecting th o2 sensor and driving but I dont understand that theory.
Thanks for the help.
Brian

I would keep in mind the O2 sensor because it might be starting to go. A buick I worked on would do something similar but this car would actually stall sometimes. I hooked up a snap on scan tool and mointored the O2 sensor and saw something wasnt normal, replaced it and the car was fixed.

Bzoo 09-18-2009 07:19 PM

The o2 sensors were services about 20,000 miles ago....So far the dealership as I said had it two weeks. Coil. Replaced the aftermarket one the independent just installed. The 2nd independent had it 1 week. Couldn't diagnose it. The first independent had it 4 weeks, replaced the crank sensor, temp sensor, both coils...see above..wires, rotors, cap but only one. The other one looks cracked to me though but Mercedes Benz of Sarasota did not identify the cracked second one so Im not sure it's an issue. I'm thinking that some of the motor heads here would have some input on the subject. (Steve). By the way the injectors seem to be fine, no spitting just the chugging loss of power under acceleration (worse when a/c is on until the speed is reached. Then its smooth as a kitten purr. Idles perfectly. One new fuel pump, the other one is original but the rail pressure seems fine ( I think. )

HELP

Bzoo 09-20-2009 07:38 AM

yea I know its a puzzle....anybody?

Bzoo 09-20-2009 05:18 PM

come on steve...you have no idea?

raymr 09-20-2009 07:50 PM

Something in the enrichment circuit. On my '85 the warm-up regulator changes the control pressure when there is a drop in engine vacuum (ie. stepping on the gas). Not sure if your '92 is similar, just throwing it out there.

Will_w202 09-21-2009 07:35 PM

These things are such nightmares. I have a 93. How's your gas mileage? Wiring harness replaced? May not make any sense, but it seems to me the wiring harness is pretty much the non-obvious suspect for mystery diagnoses; if it's orig, what you are doing is surgery on a person with no brain

Bill Adkins 09-21-2009 08:04 PM

There is always the possibility the ignition control unit or even a coil could be weak and unable to make enough heat to light the fire under load. As I'm sure you know the KV requirement doubles or triples during hard accel. Just a thought
Bill

mpolli 09-21-2009 09:49 PM

If I was going to shotgun a car with that symptom the first thing I would do is both dist caps. I am surprised they have replaced about every other part but still haven't replaced both caps. You should at least inspect them both and scrape any crud off the electrodes.

Bill Adkins 09-21-2009 09:56 PM

Usually if the cap is bad it has turned a shade of green internally. Didn't the post say the rotors had been changed? That would mean the brackets are up to date and the caps had been inspected.
Bill


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