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anziani 03-31-2010 06:40 PM

Penetrating oils
 
I cannot vouch for this but found it interesting.


"Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a subjective
test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.

Penetrating oil ..... Average load

None ..................... 516 pounds

WD-40 .................. 238 pounds

PB Blaster ..............214 pounds

Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds

Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds

ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds

The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
transmission fluid and acetone.

Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all now
use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is about as
good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price"

Anziani

Chas H 03-31-2010 06:46 PM

That's very informative. I have been using Kroil and was not aware that LW was so close. I've also been using ATF-neat-for years but have never tried mixing it with acetone.

tinypanzer 03-31-2010 09:41 PM

I wonder what effects (if any) the ATF-acetone mix will have on a regular plastic spray bottle? I've been pondering what to do with this old ATF I have laying around.......

tivoliman 03-31-2010 09:58 PM

I use straight ATF
 
A few drops of ATF (no dilution) works wonders - and it stays in place very well.

Different topic - Getting a rubber hose of such on a connection - Isopropyl alcohol is a great lubricant for rubber, and it drys up afterward - leaving no residue

mak 03-31-2010 10:22 PM

ATF usage in bushes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by anziani (Post 2438737)
I cannot vouch for this but found it interesting.


The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
transmission fluid and acetone.

Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
o
Anziani

MOST informative ,can ATF be used in the fan motor bushing as a lubricant of choice?
mak

tinypanzer 03-31-2010 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tivoliman (Post 2438872)
A few drops of ATF (no dilution) works wonders - and it stays in place very well.

Different topic - Getting a rubber hose of such on a connection - Isopropyl alcohol is a great lubricant for rubber, and it drys up afterward - leaving no residue

Interesting. I've never tried alcohol because spit works so well. I'm sure it's of no concern in such small quantities, but alcohol does tend to dry out rubber by dissolving out the emollients used to keep it soft. That's why back in the day we used to clean tape deck capstans with alcohol, but the pinch roller was always cleaned with water or spit. Repeated cleanings with alcohol always made the rollers smooth and hard and lacking in grip.

Chas H 03-31-2010 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mak (Post 2438889)
MOST informative ,can ATF be used in the fan motor bushing as a lubricant of choice?
mak

You betcha. ATF is a great lube for bushings. So is motor oil.

beevly 04-02-2010 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tinypanzer (Post 2438855)
I wonder what effects (if any) the ATF-acetone mix will have on a regular plastic spray bottle? I've been pondering what to do with this old ATF I have laying around.......

Depends on what your spray bottle is made of.

In practice, acetone is routinely stored in LDPE wash bottles in the lab, in fact they are sold as "acetone wash bottles" and come labelled thusly.

Gilly 04-02-2010 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Chas H (Post 2438942)
You betcha. ATF is a great lube for bushings. So is motor oil.

Yep, even tastes great on a salad and for slickin' yor hair back to get you noticed by the wimmin!

strelnik 04-02-2010 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gilly (Post 2440100)
Yep, even tastes great on a salad and for slickin' yor hair back to get you noticed by the wimmin!


How much of an odor would the ATF+acetone mix have? Would you pass out using it in a small space?
I've got some stuff that GM used to use but is no longer available that they would not let them use indoors. It has xylene in it.

tinypanzer 04-02-2010 10:21 PM

It's not too bad, just like nail polish remover. Now Xylene is some nasty, nasty stuff.... A good way to dissolve your liver. MEK (Methyl Ethyl Ketone) is also some horrible stuff but not as nasty as Xylene. Birth defects, yada yada.....

88260e 04-02-2010 10:33 PM

I was doing a brake job for a friend, on his wifes 04 Explorer {worst brakes I had ever seen} anyway, the rear were APITA disk drum for E-brake thing so the driver side took some ten minutes worth of 3lb sledging to come off with W-D left the passanger side for today, I was a the store getting some brake fluid and cleaner saw the Blaster stuff grabbed it cuz it was cheep! The stuff worked GREAT!!! soaked it down let it sit 2 min two bangs with the hammer came right off!!! +1 for BLASTER!!!!!!!!

beevly 04-03-2010 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by strelnik (Post 2440151)
How much of an odor would the ATF+acetone mix have? Would you pass out using it in a small space?
I've got some stuff that GM used to use but is no longer available that they would not let them use indoors. It has xylene in it.

It will be a lot stronger than nail polish remover since a good part of that is water. Acetone is *not* so toxic like the above mentioned solvents but you will still need ventilation. It's also very volatile and flammable.

napaAl 04-03-2010 11:11 AM

In HVAC work, I've always used 20w non detergent motor oil from a zoom spout, on fan motor sleeve bearings (manufacturers recom).
WD-40 works well as a bug/pest deterent on gate opener, pump, and A/C condenser relays, and as a metal protector.
I find Teflon based lubricants like Tri-Flow, and Slick 50 One lube are the best combination to break 'em loose and get it spinning,;) in one can.

Strife 04-03-2010 08:33 PM

Acetone can, and will, damage many types of plastics.


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