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higher planes 04-20-2011 04:25 PM

Worn Piston Rings Question
 
Just out of curiosity- who knows how much a ring job would run on an m103 engine?

And if I was to tackle this myself in the near future, what skill level are we talking about? I'm pretty sure my piston rings are worn due to the smoke coming form the valve cover breather tube.

Thanks

lorainfurniture 04-20-2011 04:29 PM

I doubt your rings are bad, most likely valve stems/seals. If your rings are in fact bad, you would be better off buying a junkyard engine.

The bottom end of the m103 NEVER goes bad unless you run it without oil

higher planes 04-20-2011 04:31 PM

That would be pretty damn spectacular, I hope you're right. If it is the valve stem seals, is that affordable and easy to do?

Rahulio1989300E 04-20-2011 04:37 PM

M103 valve stem seals go bad eventually. See the resources tab above, someone wrote up a how to in the DIY articles.

lorainfurniture 04-20-2011 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by higher planes (Post 2703773)
That would be pretty damn spectacular, I hope you're right. If it is the valve stem seals, is that affordable and easy to do?

Much cheaper than piston rings! If you are not 100% sure, take it to a mechanic. In fact, for $120 bucks, you can get it diagnosed by the dealer.

How much oil are you using?

higher planes 04-20-2011 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rahulio1989300E (Post 2703776)
M103 valve stem seals go bad eventually. See the resources tab above, someone wrote up a how to in the DIY articles.

Found it. Never noticed that resources link. Thanks for pointing that out!

Stretch 04-21-2011 03:08 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leak-down_tester

Chas H 04-21-2011 08:55 AM

Changing valve stem seals will have no effect on the OPs concerns.
@ OP-Some "smoke" is normal. If that is the only issue then it's likely you really have no issue.

higher planes 04-21-2011 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lorainfurniture (Post 2703786)
Much cheaper than piston rings! If you are not 100% sure, take it to a mechanic. In fact, for $120 bucks, you can get it diagnosed by the dealer.

How much oil are you using?

I'm not really sure how much oil I use. I usually check my oil every month and it falls in between the two marks on the dipstick pretty consistently.

Here's a video, maybe you guys can tell me if this is a problem or if it's normal. This is from a cold start, so you can barely make out the smoke. It puffs out considerably more once it reaches operating temp.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-HUnON7jfQ

lorainfurniture 04-21-2011 11:15 AM

Thats nothing to be concerned with.

Just keep checking the oil, the m103 is known for leaks, and oil consumption.

higher planes 04-21-2011 12:40 PM

Wow, what a turn of events. I've always thought that blow-by meant worn piston rings. Nevertheless, thanks for the good news!

samiam44 04-21-2011 03:42 PM

blowby is through rings..

But, the guides on early M103's were soft- they wear and age/head and loose guides cause failure of the valve stem seals. The vacuum on the intake stroke, pulls the oil through the guide and down into combustion.

M103's are not real leakers- mine's dry and it's had 1-2 v/c gaskets, re-seal the timing cover 2X, and the big o-ring on the oil level sensor once. 25 years of driving.



Michael


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