So I'm doing some horse trading with another 190e lover for some Ford parts I'm getting rid of.

He's got a euro spec 190e, though it doesn't seem much different than mine. K-jet, power windows, 15 hole alloys, missing euro lights. It's still got the manual heater controls. It has a 2 liter M102 with K-jet and vacuum advance (I don't know if the vac advance is a euro thing, that's just how it was described to me).

So is there anything else special about the euro models? Anything fancy and euro about the 2.0, it's components, the k-jet, etc? Same cam and head? Is it just a smaller version of my 2.3?

Thanks!

I was told the euro cams were hotter. My euro 2.0 is quick-ish but its only rated at like 122hp and the 2.3 was more like 135. In Europe guys swap the 2.0s out for 2.3 blocks.


Stretch is pretty well versed on the 1.8/2.0/2.3 M102s hopefully he will chime in but my understanding is differences are very limited.

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68 280SL - 70 280SL - 70 300SEL 3.5 - 72 350SL - 72 280SEL 4.5 - 72 220 - 72 220D - 73 450SL - 84 230GE - 87 200TD - 90 190E 2.0 - 03 G500

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The non-US cars tended to be more stripped down than the luxe US models. Depending how, and if, it was "federalized" when brought into the US, the differences are pretty minor.

Non US models did not have steel tube reinforcement bars in doors.
Non US models had vacuum adjuster for headlights, wiring for city lights and wiring for rear fog light.
Some non US models had a timing advance adjuster to compensate for fuel quality.

My car is entirely non federalized 1990, no EGR, KM/H speedohead, etc. Need to join 190rev and I'll post some pics.

But my stripped euro 2.0 5speed compared to a friend who has a a USA 2.3 5speed with a supposed euro cam and supersprint exhaust, his car is significantly faster than mine and my car only has 66k miles. I bought my car because it was as euro as you can get, not for the 2.0L. Though it is cool to have a motor that was not available here.

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68 280SL - 70 280SL - 70 300SEL 3.5 - 72 350SL - 72 280SEL 4.5 - 72 220 - 72 220D - 73 450SL - 84 230GE - 87 200TD - 90 190E 2.0 - 03 G500

Nissan GTR - Nissan Skyline GTS25T - Toyota GTFour - Rover Mini - Toyota Land Cruiser HJ60 - Cadillac Eldorado - BMW E30 - BMW 135i

Only models for GB-market from 10/1986 up to 08/1989 have city driving lights (the low beam with 10% of normal brightness).
And only models for Norwegian/Sweden (park lights, low beam) and Canadian market have day running lights (park lights, low beam, side mark lights, number plate lights and instrument panel lights).

Dealer USSR? Huh.

Could you send me the VIN-code?
Just for curiosity, because almost all markets have CAT-versions from 09/1989.

Then my 84/85 2.3-15 that was picked up in Hanover must have been a left hand drive car bound for the UK, since the wiring loom had the extra wire for the city lights, just waiting for the swap of the federalized US units.

Don't confuse city lights (the little 4w lamp) with the GB dip dim lights, which did run the low beams dimly along with the city lights

-J

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All M102 engine series is a smaller or bigger version of each other.
Tons of differences between model-years, markets, versions, etc....

Yes, I mean parking/standing lights.
And for GB only the low beams dimly 'on' for city driving lights, without parking/standing lights (4W).

There are two versions of the 2.3 type 201:
190 E (201.024)- 2.3 version of the euro 2.0 for the US-market
190 E 2.3 (201.028) - for all markets.

For the MY1983-84 US-market was available the 201.024 (190 E 2.3) with the 102.961 2.3 engine.
For the 1982-09/1984 euro market was available the 190 E (201.024) with 2.0 102.961 engine.
For the MY1985-86 US-market was available the 201.024 with the 102.985 engine, new engine from new 230 E (124.023).
For the 09/1984-93 euro market was available the 201.024 (190 E/190 E 2.0) with the 102.962 engine.
And for the 1986-93 all market was available the 201.028 (190 E 2.3) with the 102.985 engine.

• 102.961, 2.0 engine with KE-Jetronic (KE I, not K-Jetronic) injection system, TSZ ignition (with vacuum advance), single-V-belt, valves without hydraulic lifters.
• The US-spec. 102.961 engine is a hybrid of the 102.980 (230 E/CE/TE, w123) with KE-Jetronic injection system from the 102.961 and equipped with catalytic converter. The 2.3 engine with KE-Jetronic (KE I) injection system, TSZ ignition (with vacuum advance), single-V-belt, valves without hydraulic lifters, different cam, valves, cylinder head.
• 102.962, 2.0 with KE I/TSZ, KE II/EZL or KE III/EZL, poly-V-belt, valves with hydraulic lifters.
• 102.985, 2.3 with KE II/KE III, EZL ignition, poly-V-belt, valves with hydraulic lifters. The US-ver. from MY1991 is equipped with EGR.

Euro models (except national versions) have correcting resistor tip for EZL.
National and euro versions have different valve bodies and modulators for the automatic gearboxes.

Bloody hell, there is not even 20% of the information...

I meant EGR, sorry, you are correct the car DOES have a cat. My car was shipped 10/31/89.

M102.962 / 717.412

428 MANUAL 5-SPEED TRANSMISSION

466 CENTRAL LOCKING SYSTEM

470 ANTI-LOCK BRAKING SYSTEM (ABS)

570 FOLDING ARMREST FRONT

580 AIR CONDITIONER

583 ELECTRIC WINDOW LIFTERS, FRONT DOORS

585 580 + 583

593 GREEN HEAT-INSUL. GLASS, ALL-AR., HEATED REAR WINDOW PANE, BAND FILTER

640 LIGHT ALLOY WHEELS

I'd rather not post the VIN.

Some VIN decoders call the car a 190Japan but the car came from mainland Europe. I got the build sheet from the classic center and it does not say Japan on it though. Someone suggested that may be why my reverse is in a different place than other 190s I have been in, that is the RHD shifter. If anyone would know it would be you Doctor, so why do I have a dogleg reverse?

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68 280SL - 70 280SL - 70 300SEL 3.5 - 72 350SL - 72 280SEL 4.5 - 72 220 - 72 220D - 73 450SL - 84 230GE - 87 200TD - 90 190E 2.0 - 03 G500

Nissan GTR - Nissan Skyline GTS25T - Toyota GTFour - Rover Mini - Toyota Land Cruiser HJ60 - Cadillac Eldorado - BMW E30 - BMW 135i

Or it is incorrect decoding (not full list of the codes, one of the russians site give not full list of codes) or this car do not have a cat.
The code 620 is a KAT-version. Cars without code 620 do not have a cat...
Hm...

What about order No. (it contain dealer code)?

Of course, this isn't a J-version. And there is not an RHD shifter, of course.
The scheme with dog-leg reverse gear was used from 01/1988 (four-gate shift) on all w201 models.

Salut!

That decoding I gave you if from the classic center. I'll send you a PM.

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68 280SL - 70 280SL - 70 300SEL 3.5 - 72 350SL - 72 280SEL 4.5 - 72 220 - 72 220D - 73 450SL - 84 230GE - 87 200TD - 90 190E 2.0 - 03 G500

Nissan GTR - Nissan Skyline GTS25T - Toyota GTFour - Rover Mini - Toyota Land Cruiser HJ60 - Cadillac Eldorado - BMW E30 - BMW 135i