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ps2cho 09-29-2014 09:59 PM

How do these M112 spark plugs look?
 
I have a large oil leak that started a few weeks ago, so I am doing the CLK320's valve cover gasket, breather covers, spark plugs and vacuum hoses.

Do these spark plugs look fine? I assume they are original since they haven't been updated to the new style that I got in the mail. Car has 142k.

Is it just me or does the spark plug gap look big? I'm new to the M112 engine though, so I have no prior experience with this engine at all.
(Heck I made the mistake of just ordering 6 plugs...I only found out that it needed 12 right now!)

http://www.w124-zone.com/downloads/p...lvecover/6.jpg
http://www.w124-zone.com/downloads/p...lvecover/7.jpg
http://www.w124-zone.com/downloads/p...lvecover/8.jpg

Hirnbeiss 09-30-2014 06:16 AM

Measure the gap. I forget the spec .04"? They look like they've had a few miles - might as well replace before they seize in the threads.

vince 09-30-2014 06:49 AM

Those do not look like the correct spark plugs. The correct plugs for the M112/M113 are platinum and have a very small center electrode.

porkface 09-30-2014 08:07 AM

they are wrong and worn out. when the center looks like a well worn pencil, it's time.

the correct plugs are fr8dpp33 and have a much finer electrode. usually about 10 ea usd. which is why the wrong plugs are there-cheaper. the real plugs will go 60k or more. i don't like to go to 100k like mb says to do because the coils and wires get tired from the extra amperage required for older, worn plugs. good luck, chuck.

ps2cho 09-30-2014 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vince (Post 3391188)
Those do not look like the correct spark plugs. The correct plugs for the M112/M113 are platinum and have a very small center electrode.

It says on a few sites that the F8DPER is the original plug. The updated is the FR8DPP33 with the small electrode.
That is why I thought maybe these were the original plugs.

They are definitely getting replaced though! I felt like the car was robbed a little power.
Either way these plugs have way more than 60k on them. We've owned the car for 40k...and the PO I find doubtful changed them right before, so I figure they have 100k on them.

porkface 09-30-2014 11:20 AM

i've changed a bunch of these engine's plugs and don't remember seeing those come out-could be wrong.

i also can't believe 142k on them. replaced any coils and wires over the years? just curious. i have a few times when the fr8dp33s wore out before 100k. let me know, chuck.

ps2cho 09-30-2014 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by porkface (Post 3391252)
i've changed a bunch of these engine's plugs and don't remember seeing those come out-could be wrong.

i also can't believe 142k on them. replaced any coils and wires over the years? just curious. i have a few times when the fr8dp33s wore out before 100k. let me know, chuck.

No history...so not sure. They are expensive I just looked it up so what are the typical symptoms when they are toast?

Our normal daily driving says average 28.1mpg so I assume they are fine?

97 SL320 09-30-2014 04:30 PM

I've seen worse, 50 K is a likely mileage.

One plug will have a worn center where the other will have a worn strap. This is due to current flow, a system like this should fire one plug in one direction and the other in the opposite direction. ( Unless this system uses an AC inverter for spark power but I doubt it.)

MAVA 09-30-2014 04:31 PM

Who sells the plugs at a deal?

I have to change them on W210...

Thanks,

Martin

oldsinner111 10-01-2014 05:01 AM

I get my plugs thru ebay

pawoSD 10-01-2014 10:47 AM

The original plugs I pulled from my bro's car with 136k on them were the fine very small electrode type.

ps2cho 10-01-2014 02:06 PM

Gotcha, so they have been replaced at some point with cheaper ones. I did some research and it seems that they are the same performance-wise, they just don't last as long.

I sure as heck don't want to do this every 60k...I'll take 100k for a few bucks more.

Engine looks clean, pulled one side off today.

http://www.w124-zone.com/downloads/p...vecover/10.jpg

ps2cho 10-01-2014 04:25 PM

Left side all done minus the coils! Off to school, then hoping I can get the right side done later tonight. Even the breather tubes were pretty clean. The breather hole wasn't too clogged up either, but it did need a good shot with the air compressor to clear it out 100%.

Second photo is the breather before I cleaned it. Not bad in comparison to some of the pictures I've seen on this forum!! I'm pretty sure this has never been replaced either. There is no way otherwise they would have been FORCED to replace the vacuum hoses. They just crumbled in my hand.

http://www.w124-zone.com/downloads/p...vecover/14.jpg
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porkface 10-02-2014 11:51 AM

if the car needed coils, you'd know it-misfire, check engine light, etc.

as far as 100k-like i said, mb says they'll go 100k, but i've had earlier mileages where the coils were suffering from overdrawn amperage because of the worn fr8dpp33s. change them at 60k and there won't be any coil or wires issues. got 2 cars with almost 200k ea and they have oe coils. 3rd set of plugs though and another set due at 240k, if i see either of them again. good luck, chuck.

Zulfiqar 10-02-2014 05:00 PM

that is a nice n clean engine, using mobil1 0w40?

my car also had these plugs when I swapped them out due to irritating misfires at part load. I used denso plugs (platinum tips and centers), cost me 2 dollars a piece after discount at AAP.

what did you seal the breathers with?


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