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Hit Man X 06-17-2017 10:08 PM

M103 + ARP studs is possible.
 
Thanks to an old post by member 'Motor Head', I was able to track down an ARP kit that fits the M103 as I am tired of messing around with TTY bolts. The engine specs an M12x1.75 stud that is 5.4" long.

Best way to do this is buy a Cosworth Escort kit, part number - 251.4701. This kit is made for a four popper so it only has 10 studs. You will need to line item order four more studs, nuts, and washers from ARP or a distributor.

The only quirk is you need to bend forward the PCV elbow a hair to clear the stud. Aside from that, I am back on the road with a leak free M103 (well, for now). :)

I have a few pictures if anyone cares, but it looks like any studded 12V inline six.

w123fanman 06-19-2017 07:46 PM

What's the advantage of studs? Are they reusable?

Alreck 07-12-2018 07:24 PM

Hey Hit Man X!

I was looking all over for this info. Thank you!

I know its a bit late but.. Could you post some pictures of it? and how are they holding up?

I plan to use ARP studs + a Custom made MLS head gasket.

Thank you!

Hit Man X 07-14-2018 04:21 PM

Advantage is a more accurate torque than the OEM TTY bolts to me. Those TTY are pains in the ass, even with a good angle meter. Yes, reuseable since the M103 likes to eat gaskets.

I will try to find the pictures from the install. Still a leak free headgasket! :eek: Damned valve cover is weeping up front some, but has only lost and consumed half a quart in about four months of driving. Not bad for the ol' 325,000 M103 in this car. :) ...that also included a 120mph run about six weeks back. :eek:

Head was off about 70k ago I guess now and car runs well. Catalyst has been gutted which was decently clogged. I think it needs a rebuilt fuel distributor after speaking with CIS Flowtech for a while.

97 SL320 07-14-2018 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hit Man X (Post 3829736)
Advantage is a more accurate torque than the OEM TTY bolts to me. Those TTY are pains in the ass, even with a good angle meter.

The above isn't true.

Bolt torque is an ,often inaccurate, inference of clamping force because thread / bolt head friction affects torque readings. TTY bolts were invented to remove this variable and they do a very good job at this.

Think of TTY bolts as fixed weight holding the cylinder head down where regular bolts are a variable weight. TTY bolts are tightened as tight as they can go then stretch to limit clamping force, think of them as a spring. A regular bolt will increase clamping force until it breaks off, more clamping force than desired can crush out gaskets.

The initial torque on a TTY is just to get a starting point and settle the head. Two or three angular sequences are to evenly load the cylinder head. During the last sequence, one can feel the torque rise then level off before the final angle is reached. This is the yield part of the system.

Once the torque levels off, clamping force will not increase even it you tighten the bolt more. I don't get fussy with finding the super exact angle, on the last step I tighten until torque levels off + maybe 5*.
At this point I'm still under the factory angle but turning further won't increase clamping force. The factory angle has a safety margin built in to assure yield occurs as telling someone to tighten until torque levels off would be too variable.

Now, if one wants to increase clamping force beyond the design of TTY bolts, studs or regular bolts are needed.

Hit Man X 07-14-2018 08:35 PM

Good to know.

I will never use OE style fasteners on an M103 ever again.

lorainfurniture 07-14-2018 09:04 PM

I’ve replaced 2 head gaskets as long as I’ve owned Mercedes. My first was an 89 300e, leaked oil from rear. I used genuine parts and did it according to the manual and it lasted 6 years and 120,000 miles until I sold it. It’s probably still ok.

My 300te I changed the gasket just because I was doing the water pump. Same deal, genuine gaskets and no issues since.

From the head threads that I read it seems like hat whoever uses a victor reinz gasket ends up redoing the whole job in 6 months or less.


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