well i have the oil pan off so i can look at the engine from the bottom see when the piston gets to tdc

I tried to say that but when I looked back over my entry it was not very clear, sorry.
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Martin Ingram
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2005 320 CDI
2006.5 VW Jetta TDI
1991 560SEL (179000 Sold)
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When the #1 cyl is at the top of the compression stroke (tdc) the #6 is at the top of its exhaust stroke so what you have is right cause at the top of the exhaust stoke the intake valve is opening and the exhaust valve is closing as you said they're at 4 and 8 o'clock. That's my understanding but I wish one of the pros would chime in here to confirm it.

well the firing order is 1-5-.... so the number five cyl lobes should look almost just like the #1 , and they do with the number 6 lobes the way they are right now (4 and 8 o'clock), but like you said i'd rather wait for a pro to confirm this first