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Cap'n Carageous 06-28-2004 07:52 PM

The OVP is apparently programmed to self destruct after ownership changes. I can't count the times I've heard "Previous owner said he had NEVER had any problems with the car, but two weeks after I bought it the 'check engine' light came on and it began to [ hard start cold, hard start hot, stall, ABS light on, skip, roll over and play dead, etc, etc, etc. ] :rolleyes: Go figure! Of course replacing the OVP doesn't actually fix any of the problems but it certainly sells a lot of OVP's.

yosshimura 06-28-2004 08:25 PM

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Originally posted by Cap'n Carageous
! Of course replacing the OVP doesn't actually fix any of the problems but it certainly sells a lot of OVP's.
That is my question, originally or somewhere on this thread;) . Obviously something is causing it to blow.... changing ovp's is like a bandaid and not really fixing the problem(s) causing it to blow.:confused:

Strife 06-28-2004 11:27 PM

A car is a hellhole for electronics to live in. I read an interesting Intel article some time ago, and the WORST thing that can happen on the +12 line is a "alternator dump", where all of a sudden load get shed quickly, like, from turning your headlights off or the A/C relay kicking on/off (high-current deltas). This puts a spike on the +12 line. Even the battery (acting like a giant capacitor) can't handle it entirely because it can't handle really short pulses (this is one of the reasons to NEVER run your car with no battery or a dead battery).

I THINK (don't know for sure) that the OVP is like a "crowbar" circuit on a switching power supply - that is, when voltage goes over, say, +16 volts, a big SCR (a cheap, high current semiconductor) latches in and presents a dead short - which will then deliberately blow the fuse (and maybe the semiconductor, which is designed to fail shorted). Depending on how the circuit is made, the circuit might NOT latch so the circuit can survive short overvoltages.

This "cheap" (in the relative term) part sacrifices itself (or its fuse) for the sake of other stuff.

Of all the magic MB modules, this one is the most promising to reverse-engineer!

yal 06-28-2004 11:32 PM

Does anyone know if the europeans use a different OVP in their W201s and W124's? Or is the same part number?

ctaylor738 06-30-2004 03:51 PM

Here is all you ever wanted to know about how the Zener diode in an OVP relay works:

http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_3/chpt_3/9.html

I just replaced the OVP in my SL. It was expensive - $57. I took the cover off and discovered that the problem was that the internal fuse - a piece of meltable wire - had "blown." At least the newer ones have an external fuse that can be replaced!

AMG CE 36 06-30-2004 07:32 PM

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Originally posted by yal
Does anyone know if the europeans use a different OVP in their W201s and W124's? Or is the same part number?
I examined my OVP yesterday and found nothing suspect inside, looked as new. Have to find another source to the limp mode in hot weather...

Anyway it had a production date of 25.08.93. There were two numbers; one under a MB-star: 000 54067 45 and on the other side it had: 89 7219 000.
My car is sold new in Germany in 1994.

yal 06-30-2004 08:14 PM

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Originally posted by AMG CE 36
I examined my OVP yesterday and found nothing suspect inside, looked as new. Have to find another source to the limp mode in hot weather...

Anyway it had a production date of 25.08.93. There were two numbers; one under a MB-star: 000 54067 45 and on the other side it had: 89 7219 000.
My car is sold new in Germany in 1994.

Thats for a W202 right?

AMG CE 36 07-01-2004 05:36 PM

No, it is a W124, or rather C124, the E 36 AMG Coupé. Same engine as the C36 though...

ke6dcj 07-01-2004 06:15 PM

Post some pictures of your W124 E36 (engine, tranny, etc.) and some specifics (calipers, tranny, diff ratio, etc.).

My W124 wagon has the C36 engine in it.

I'd like to see what's different.

:-) neil

AMG CE 36 07-03-2004 07:07 PM

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Hi, I have just a few pictures of the engine, nothing else, but I can take some more in a couple of days...

wbain5280 07-04-2004 04:31 AM

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Originally posted by Strife


I THINK (don't know for sure) that the OVP is like a "crowbar" circuit on a switching power supply - that is, when voltage goes over, say, +16 volts, a big SCR (a cheap, high current semiconductor) latches in and presents a dead short - which will then deliberately blow the fuse (and maybe the semiconductor, which is designed to fail shorted). Depending on how the circuit is made, the circuit might NOT latch so the circuit can survive short overvoltages.

This "cheap" (in the relative term) part sacrifices itself (or its fuse) for the sake of other stuff.

Of all the magic MB modules, this one is the most promising to reverse-engineer!

That's an excellent description. The OVP's purpose in life is to protect the electronic control units. If the voltage goes too high, the zener conducts causing the fuse to blow.TV electronics use spark gaps around the picture tubes to protect it from voltage spikes.

It's the sacrificial anode of our cars.

Cal Learner 03-16-2009 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Cap'n Carageous (Post 661193)
Not that I've had much dealings with them, but as far as I can tell they are:

1. Another example of "Let's over engineer something"
2. The root of all evil
3. A practical joke
4. Totally unnecessary
5. A scapegoat to blame every driveability problem on
6. Probably the easiest part to throw at a car by mechanics without a clue
7. A guaranteed source of income for the manufacturer until the last cars with them vanish from the face of the earth

Other than that they're good things to have.;)

Funny stuff, Cap'n. Worth resurrecting an old thread.

JonL 03-16-2009 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by AMG CE 36 (Post 663714)
I examined my OVP yesterday and found nothing suspect inside, looked as new. Have to find another source to the limp mode in hot weather...

Anyway it had a production date of 25.08.93. There were two numbers; one under a MB-star: 000 54067 45 and on the other side it had: 89 7219 000.
My car is sold new in Germany in 1994.

My diesel idle speed control (ELR) wasn't working until I changed the OVP relay. The OVP fuse was intact, and there was nothing obviously wrong inside. I do not know how to test the individual components on the circuit board, but nothing was burnt or broken. I would conclude that it is entirely possible for the OVP to fail without any apparent physical indication.

professor 03-16-2009 02:19 PM

Very easy to diagnose. The actual schematics for the circuitry is right there on the case, it can't get any better than that;)
My first encounter with the OVP (when I had no clue what it was) was when I first got the 560SEL (did someone mention it usually timed to ownership change?:D ) the ABS light was on and the car would idle high.

dlevitt 03-16-2009 02:47 PM

Intermittent problems
 
On startup, the ABS light is off, and presumably all the circuits downstream of the OVP are happy [e.g. the ABS stuff works].

Hit a rough spot in the road [it doesn't always take a big bump] and the ABS light comes on. I'm interpreting this as a bad connection, either in the socket or in the wires connected to the OVP relay socket. Are any special tools useful to recrimp the connectors in the socket?


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