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Stereolab42 07-04-2021 04:44 PM

How I (mostly) fixed the W108 Central Locking System
 
So... I rebuilt the completely nonfunctional central locking system on my W108 (1973 280SE 4.5) over the last week. It's probably been non-functional for decades. Result was a perfectly working system, at the cost of much more time than I planned on spending. It's not going to hold vacuum for weeks like it did fresh from the factory, but good enough for (I think) a couple days. First thing I did was search for a vacuum routing diagram for the W108 on the 'net. Found lots of threads where people asked for this, but nobody actually had such a diagram, and several claimed it didn't exist. I gave up on this search temporarily but I did find the wonderful ifixit site for the W123 central locking. It was clear on the surface that the systems shared a common design so this taught me a lot. However, the location of the Y-connectors was completely different, there was nothing under the passenger mat. So I still did not have a full picture.

Completely by chance I came up on a 1972 parts manual for a W108 and believe it or not, found a diagram of the W108 central locking system (see below)! The biggest takeaway here was that most of the Y-connectors were buried deeply in the dash or behind pillar trim, unlike with later Mercedes models. I decided I wasn't going to inspect or replace those and hoped none were bad.

https://i.ibb.co/Nj3f88C/20210704-131519.jpg

Opening up the doors, it became clear nobody had ever been in here before since the factory clear film was still present with the original tape. (Believe it or not, the electric window regulars still work perfectly.) As expected, most of the diaphragms on the actuators were torn. Heading to the trunk, I pulled the gas door and trunk luck actuators. Those still held vacuum but not ideally. I decided I would have to refresh them as well. There is only one style of replacement diaphragm out there. It has a "combo nub" that is a combination screw hole and notch. You can get them from eBay or Mercedes Source, at a ridiculous cost, but it is what it is.

https://i.ibb.co/K9yjxZr/s-l500-1.jpg

After they arrived, I ran into the first complication. They are slightly smaller than the stock door actuator diaphragms and did not easily fit. After much struggle I managed to shoehorn them on with the retainer ring, but the ring would not go down all the way on all sides. Some testing with a Mityvac (get one!) showed they still leaked slowly. I concluded I was going to have to assist the diaphragms in their job with some Permatex black sealant. This stuff is awesome and I could not have completed this job without it. It's basically glue that turns into rubber after a few hours, and is air and water-tight.

But before I applied the sealant, I decided to test-fix the actuator in the door. Now I ran into the second problem: The lock rod was highly constrained in its up-and-down range and did not work properly. After some thought it was clear the problem was the "combo nub" was longer than the OEM screw-hole nub. Out came the hand saw and I took off the tops of the nubs. Luckily the screw hole went very deep and there was still sufficient thread. A second test-fit showed that the rod now had proper travel. Now I assembled all the door actuators and slathered the inside and outside lips with Permatex. After drying, they held vacuum just fine. I buttoned-up the doors and tested the vacuum of the entire system from the firewall tube. Since I hadn't done the trunk yet, I capped off those lines. I verified that with the driver's lock down, the other doors would lock when vacuum was applied, and with the lock up, they would open. This demonstrated to me that the hard lines, Y-connectors, and valve in the driver's door were all healthy (thank god).

https://i.ibb.co/nPfSgTy/20210702-203511.jpg

Onto the trunk, where more problems revealed themselves. First, the gas door actuator was held shut with a press-fit brass ring. The only way to get it off was to destroy it, and I hoped Permatex (once again) would be enough to resecure the two halves.

https://i.ibb.co/P5fyBfv/20210701-151442.jpg

Second, the three trunk diaphragms were all somewhat SMALLER than the new diaphragms, in contrast with the OEM door diaphragms, which were bigger. Some test-fitting showed the new diaphragms could again be shoehorned in, but again not with a perfect fit. However, the bigger problem was that these diaphragms all had "special hardware" sprouting from their tops. A rod, a special screw, etc. The new diaphragms simply could not be used unless I spent some serious time fabricating ways to transform or move that special hardware.

https://i.ibb.co/bdqpZR2/20210701-144655.jpg

So I decided to re-use the OEM diaphragms. Luckily, they were salvageable. I could see creases where cracks would eventually happen. Some people just slather them with grease and call it a day, but I knew that would not be sufficient. Again, the Permatex came out, and I slathered it EVERYWHERE, essentially entombing the diaphragms, which held vacuum decently now. And as I hoped, it was also sufficient to hold the trunk door pod together. (Another plus about using Permatex -- it is removable. Not easily, but it does not permanently bond to plastic or metal and can be scraped off. This would NOT be the case with superglue, epoxy, or the like.)

Now the trunk and gas actuators went back in and I returned to the hood for a another test. Everything worked as expected with the Mityvac. As before I was just testing with the vacuum line that came into the firewall, I didn't put the fender tank into the loop. It is clear that the system still leaked slowly; without the tank I estimate it could hold for an hour or two However, the tank holds a TREMENDOUS amount of vacuum. It seems leak-free, and going by how long it takes to evacuate I estimate it has probably 100x the volume of the rest of the system. So with the tank it's probable the system would hold for a few days (although I have not tested this yet). It will never be good enough to hold for weeks like they apparently did from the factory, but I knew that was a pipe dream given my skills and desired time investment. Already this took many days and many more hours than I wanted to spend. But overall I met my goal of ressurrecting a cool antique feature of the car.

vwnate1 07-04-2021 08:43 PM

Good Job !
 
I have three W123's and every so often have to dip in and diagnose a leak and fix it or replace the clever if irritating butterfly spring on the passenger door lock rods .

At this time I'm carefully bending up new ones from paper clips, so far works like a charm .

My 1984 Gray market 300TD's vacuum locks will hold for a month, wow .

Stereolab42 07-05-2021 12:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vwnate1 (Post 4176652)
I have three W123's and every so often have to dip in and diagnose a leak and fix it or replace the clever if irritating butterfly spring on the passenger door lock rods .

At this time I'm carefully bending up new ones from paper clips, so far works like a charm .

My 1984 Gray market 300TD's vacuum locks will hold for a month, wow .

After I finished this exercise I am yet again reminded why so few shops choose to work on classic cars, and why the ones that do charge so much and take so long. NOTHING aftermarket fits without work. Existing parts NEVER go back in properly the way you took them out because things break or get out of shape as they age and you must improvise. Getting things to work 100% is 10x the effort getting them to work 80% is, and unless you know your customer well you have to guess what combination of cost and result THEY will accept. I am lucky that with this car I was able to fix everything wrong with it in my home garage. My last classic car purchase spent 9 months in the shop getting the drivetrain right (and it still... isn't). I got REAL lucky with this one.

vwnate1 07-05-2021 09:51 AM

Older Vehicles And The J.O.B.
 
you're right and have the correct attitude ~ I'm a Tech Advisor on a lot of forums and I try to get the owner to do their own work if possible because YOU CARE unlike most Mechanics who just want to get the job out the door as quickly as possible and don't take the time to do the little detail things nor the inevitable " might as wells " so prevelant in older machines .

I've been a Journeyman Mechanic for over 50 years and have done field repairs, tat teaches you the importance of taking the time to do it once and correctly if at all possible .

The vast majority of shiny & beautiful oldies you see don't have working wipers, heaters, dome lights, radios and so on .

I expect everything to work properly on my rigs as I drive them daily and for long distances across America for fun .

Mike D 07-05-2021 09:59 AM

This guy has a large selection of diaphragms for the Benz. Go to the "Climate Control" and "Solutions" tabs to see his inventory.

Performance Analysis Co.


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