Ashman - the man with the answers! Thanks for clarifying this for me. I was looking at your site and noticed the difference. The smoked/red look really good on your car. I think that they will look pretty good on a white car as I have seen them on sombody's white 300e on this board. I am going to try to find them used to save some cash but do you have any suggestions to buy the OEM cheap. Thanks again.