I have my dial indicator in the mail. But what your saying is that the dial indicator could tell me that 25 degrees ATDC at the balancer is ok, or even close? Seems so far out of wack that I didnt think it would be needed until fine tuning. If I move it 1 tooth forward, spin it by hand and it doesnt interfere, is there any reason i shouldnt try to start it and see what it does? The injection timing by using the welling up method shows about 7 degrees BTDC. However, the pump is all the way retarded in its slots already. That tells me its alos 1 tooth off but I wanted to get cam timing right before I play with that. Is this a bad plan?