Good points Gilly...

In my explanation, I neglected to point out exactly how and where the power transfers to from the spinning wheel... for simplicity I described it the way I did... your ice analogy is a good one to really show off and help explain ETS.

G-man, if you poke around any more regarding toque limiting, I'd be curious to hear what you find out. Just an interesting subject, I think - trying to figure out how those clever engineers manage to dissipate that energy somewhere is pretty cool . And after your location spotting of verndale, I have a good idea right where you're located - lots of good trails up in that neck of the woods. I had a girlfriend who's family lived in Brainerd, and when we'd go visit, I'd usually find a way to sneak out and run a trail

BTW (completely unrelated) - have you ever gone to the Ojibwe SCCA Rally?