who in their right minds today believes that torture never exists in war? of course it does. the value of intelligence and saving your guy's ass outweighs anything. ive never served, i've never killed, etc, but damn sure if i saw some a-hole terrorist planting a bomb, id do whatever it takes to make him give up the other guys waiting to spring the ambush. if there's any moral equivalency or relativism, lets remember who cuts off heads when they finish their interrogations and who doesnt.

on a related note, all this torture talk and restoring "our reputation in the world" (a favorite liberal mantra that means jack sh#t) is just politics, plain and simple. the left wingers have been trying their damn best to sully the reputation of our guys over there with meaningless stories of naked iraqi terrorist pyramid triangle and alleged koran abuses at gitmo. all this jack idiot talk about "why are we torturing?" and "what is torture and what methods are we using" is only relevant to academics, ninny taoists, lawyers, and berkeley types who have nothing better to do than to find ways to hate our government...err...hate anyone who isnt a democrat.

and on another note, this is the thing i dont get when liberals talk about "restoring our credibility" with the world: since when has anyone except for britain had our backs? the rest of the world doesnt give a s##t about us. they delight when we hurt, but cry for our help when they need us---anyone remember that big earthquake in iran a few years back? i was on a biz trip in taiwan last year when i was browsing the hotel's free servers which included the staff's own folders. in it was a powerpoint presentation file w/ the title "The Great USA". in the presentation was pictures of the katrina disaster, pictures of dead american troops, etc (another can of worms). you bet i chewed the office staff out and never returned to that crappy hotel again.