I've listened to interviews with both of those guys and they're worth a listen IMO. Not sure if I can listen to all of this one but I'll go for a while on it.

Brand is an interesting character as well. I use to spend hours with 'The Last Whole Earth Catalog' and later 'The Next WEC." Lot of food for thought.

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