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Originally Posted by bob_98sr5
i'm trying to understand something here: when its waterboarding and a policy of the previous administration that you don't personally like, the results/information is suspect. but when there's no non-physical or mental torture involved and it fits your own political ideology, the information extracted from it is without reproach?...
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This is like a broken record (an expression that is quickly becoming obsolete, I suppose).
Every criticism of Bush and his policies is not based on politics or hatred of Bush. The criticism is often based on a good faith belief that he screwed up.
If you listen to the Brian Kilmeade types, it's as if anyone who opposes torture doesn't care about saving American lives. He and his ilk are too arrogant to accept the notion that people who disagree with him love this country as much as he does.
So the answer to your question is no, it's not all about politics. Opposition to waterboarding and other such techniques is based on (a) morality and (b) a desire to protect America. There are knowledgeable, patriotic people who think that torture endangers our national security. Why can't you accept that good faith difference of opinion? Why do you go directly to ad hominem?
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how do you know for sure?
my beef is this: dont take away any tools to extract information. cookies and the nice approach work for some, but not others.
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I'm sure that's true.