I have driven around the great lakes (some of them....ontario, michigan, huron, erie. On the north shores the landscape is nothing but stunted growth with patches of soil over limestone. I first did not understand what I was looking at but eventually figured out it was all logged out jack pine forests which were logged out a hundred years ago but which has never recovered.

It is very sad. The lumber was wonderful...i see it from time to time in older structures around here. It is clearly pine but is nearly as hard as oak with very close grain. A deep rich red color.

Don't let them tell you that log farms are anything like the ecosystem that occurred naturally.

I have never heard of 13' diameter white oak before.....amazing!

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