I have had a vague though boiling in my mind recently and this thread brought it to a head. Toyotas are the new Buick. (But Buick drivers still suck as much as ever). Mini vans are in there somewhere too but I think Buicks and Toyotas are the kings of lousy drivers.

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[SIGPIC] Diesel loving autocrossing grandpa Architect. 08 Dodge 3/4 ton with Cummins & six speed; I have had about 35 benzes. I have a 39 Studebaker Coupe Express pickup in which I have had installed a 617 turbo and a five speed manual.[SIGPIC]

..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.