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Originally Posted by martureo
Again, your ignorance of the situation is astounding.
I'm not operating on the presupposition that Jesus didn't write, I'm operating on the consensus of all scholars that he didn't/couldn't.
Can you please provide the evidence to show that the "apostles were also literate and capable of writing"? I'd love to see it.
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sure, were it the classical period a consensus of all scholars would happily tell me the earth was flat as Aklim pointed out earlier.
Were it a couple hundred years ago, a consensus of religious scholars would have told me the earth was the center of the universe.
any of those cast iron facts turn out to be true? you decide.
As far as literate apostles, my understanding was that Matthew the tax collector wrote his own gospel if the bible is to be believed. Seems that Peter and Paul had friends write theirs, so perhaps they were illiterate, but does that count for all of them?
You seem to take the absence of a positive as proof of a negative. My opinion is that we simply don't know since very little survived. If Joseph was a craftsman of some sort, its possible he knew how to write or at least some rudimentary concepts of math in order to work in that field and passed that on to his son.
In this situation, we could go either way, but as I said, you have no more evidence that he WAS NOT literate than I have that he WAS.
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No, what you've done is repeatedly said something different than what you meant. Your writing must improve if you intend to hold many more conversations with anyone reading the English language.Finally, something we can agree on.
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ahh, lesson master martureo drops some good advice again on writing! Still, he forgets that all his source of facts as he calls them are from a book and interpretations and opinions on that book of dozens of versions that he takes for absolute truth.
I disagree that that book should be taken as fact. The core lessons on how to live your life with regards to others hold weight, but fantastical stories of magical occurances strike me as a little bling to sexify the message of christ as sold by his followers.
If we do not agree on that basic issue, then we will never agree in argument. By all means, continue to refer to the bible as fact, and ill start referring to the Lord of the Rings as well as ironclad fact, which is a bit better written, because it tells the best way to kill a goblin. Useful if I come across one digging my pool.
Let me turn to my writing desk and commit to paper some of the things that George Washington did hundreds of years ago, complete with first person commentary that sounds good to me because I like the man, and maybe in 2000 years people will take my statements are accurate representations of what ol George actually did and said as well. Most of the bible is no different.