[QUOTE=Dubyagee;3181522]Unproven, no witnesses self defense.

He was beating Z into the ground. Broke his nose and kept hitting.

The best thing to learn from this is to never assume the guy your whipping is unarmed or legally restrained from using a weapon.[/QUOTE]

In Hindsight another conclusion that could be made is that T's assault/defense was not violent enough to save His life; T might have been to Humane.

They tell Women who are being assaulted to grab the Assailant's Ears with their Finger and shove their Thumbs into the Assailant's Eyes; it works the same if Men do it.

Sounds like T could have crushed Z's Trachea without too much problem.

It would have taking an unusual Person to still have reached for their Gun and shoot with their Eyes gouged or Trachea crushed.

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