[QUOTE=kerry;3258860]The Saudi system is interesting. I had a friend who taught English as a second language for a long time to Saudi males who came to the US. She noted that once they came to the US, they tended in two different directions. Some spent all their time in bars or strip clubs. The others spent all their time at the mosque. This is, I believer, because they lacked any personal moral center. All moral values in Saudi Arabia are externally imposed rather than internally generated. Once the external limits are removed they have no psycho/moral resources to direct their lives. I have also taught Ethics to large numbers of Saudi males and almost without exception they insist that no one would be moral if there were no god to threaten us with reward and punishment. (ie--the Saudi state). This is a clear example, in my view, of the social result of rooting morality in actual law. It produces a society of people who conform to the law to avoid punishment but lack any actual virtue. The are incapable of moral reason and personal moral motivation.[/QUOTE]


The comment disregards that People might follow their Religion out of love instead of fear.
If religious morality results in actual personal virtue so be it.
However, quite a few comments on the various threads seem to vilify the value of Religions.

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