dculkin, as I have said, it is much too broadly applied, but I still think society needs to have some sort of ultimate penalty. I also had a job years back where I saw enough of sociopaths that I came to the conclusion that even in prison no one is safe from these people - they will just kill guards and other inmates as they do all the time, and if they escape they will kill everyone they meet. These people simply must be exterminated, for logical, not philosophical reasons. Most of them end up convicted on DNA evidence, as they leave their slime trail behind them.