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Originally Posted by Azimyth
I wonder if the denial is not so much that it is not happening. It may be. Perhaps the disagreement is more of culpability. Who or what is causing global warming? I believe these warming cooling cycles are natural and have occured for eons before we became what we are.
elementally, I think temperature fluctuations would occur with or without us.
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You may be right. I hope you're right.
It's pretty obvious, though, that we humanoids are no lightweights when it comes to affecting reality on this planet. Many of the ocean's fisheries are on the ropes or heading that way. New England fisherman howled when cod was put off limits. It had to be done, IMO. One of my best buds from high school, still fishes halibut outside of Juneau and he tells me about the limited windows for fishing they are allowed. He grouses about it but admits it has to be done.
Going back a ways, bison covered the great plains. One of the great natural wonders, IMO. Didn't take long for European know-how to make big changes there. I saw a satellite photo of the Puget Sound area, my old stomping ground (Oly and Seattle, WA) a while back and it was striking. Most of the Seattle/Tacoma area was grey. You could see the clearcutting in the Olympics very clearly. The whole area was checkerboarded with it.
My point being; we're a big force -- we're powerful, no doubt about it. The carbon we are burning laid buried for millions and millions of years.
I sit in bumper to bumper traffic sometimes and consider the enormous amount of vehicles doing just that, every day. My mother is a missionary in Indonesia, and she says traffic and air pollution there is unbelievably thick.
I don't think we should be so quick to rule out human causes in warming. Right wing talk radio is on a crusade to pooh pooh the whole idea. Emitting global warming gasses all the while.
