Parts Catalog Accessories Catalog How To Articles Tech Forums
Call Pelican Parts at 888-280-7799
Shopping Cart Cart | Project List | Order Status | Help



Go Back   PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum > Mercedes-Benz Tech Information and Support > Diesel Discussion > Alternative Fuels

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 04-24-2008, 12:02 AM
Glowplug's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Tulsa, OK
Posts: 71
Hey WVO guys, will this little filter/fuel heater comb work ?

I've been doing tons of research lately on the WVO conversion. And from what i read apparently all i need is a way to both filter and heat the WVO before it gets to my injector pump . Correct ?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/WVO-CTU-SVO-Diesel-Automatic-e-w-Fuel-Heater-4u-Filter_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742Q2em153Q2el1262QQcategoryZ42604QQihZ013QQitemZ230241204763


Other than the filtered WVO itself, will this little filter/fuelheater combo work for me ?

Willl this enable me to run WVO ?


Will this work with a 300d 2.5 ?



Thanks.
__________________
93 300 D 2.5 turbo

Last edited by Glowplug; 04-24-2008 at 12:44 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 04-24-2008, 12:20 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Posts: 463
please dont run WVO in that car! use one of those old, dumpy 123s! ...seriously, if you ever plan on selling it, dont convert it to WVO, it will kill its value.

im not a WVOr, but i dont think it will work. im not really sure how it works, but i think you would need heated lines and a heated tank to properly run WVO. its goopy stuff. sure, maybe it will be heated in the filter, but what about the the fuel lines? that stuff congeals at a pretty high temp, i dont think you would be able to start it in the morning unless you had a 2 tank system. it kinda looks like a scam, that filter would get clogged in 2 minutes without serious filtering before you put it in the tank.

i dont know a whole lot about WVO conversions, but i know it takes alot more than a $200 bolt-on. theres plenty of info on this board.

good luck
__________________
1991 300 D 2.5 Turbo, 220k
also in the family:
1981 240 D 185k
1991 350 SD 185k
2006 S 500
2005 SLK 350
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 04-24-2008, 12:34 AM
bgkast's Avatar
Rollin' on 16s
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Vancouver WA
Posts: 6,528
Quote:
Originally Posted by Grdenko View Post
please dont run WVO in that car! use one of those old, dumpy 123s!


You sir are a
__________________
1979 240D- 316K miles - VGT Turbo, Intercooler, Stick Shift, Many Other Mods - Daily Driver

1982 300SD - 232K miles - Wife's Daily Driver

1986 560SL - Wife's red speed machine
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 04-24-2008, 12:50 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Out in the Boonies of Hot, Dry, Dusty, Windy Nevada
Posts: 9,680
Quote:
Originally Posted by bgkast View Post


You sir are a
Iam glad you said it first, lets get him with our dumpy ol tanks.

Charlie ☺
__________________
there were three HP ratings on the OM616...

1) Not much power
2) Even less power
3) Not nearly enough power!! 240D w/auto

Anyone that thinks a 240D is slow drives too fast.

80 240D Naturally Exasperated, 4-Spd 388k DD 150mph spedo 3:58 Diff

We are advised to NOT judge ALL Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but we are encouraged to judge ALL gun owners by the actions of a few lunatics. Funny how that works
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 04-24-2008, 12:31 AM
bgkast's Avatar
Rollin' on 16s
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Vancouver WA
Posts: 6,528
That will provide enough heat for the filter ONLY, not the whole system. Also that thing is a rip-off. All it is is a $15 filter head, $5 filter and $50 VW filter heater. You could make something just as effective by wrapping heater hose around the filter. Keep researching and use a 2 tank system f you must run WVO.
__________________
1979 240D- 316K miles - VGT Turbo, Intercooler, Stick Shift, Many Other Mods - Daily Driver

1982 300SD - 232K miles - Wife's Daily Driver

1986 560SL - Wife's red speed machine
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 04-24-2008, 12:38 AM
Glowplug's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Tulsa, OK
Posts: 71
Thanks for the info Grdnko.

Is there a write up on how to build one of these filters on the site ?


If i were to heat the tank as well, wouldn't this work ? I'm trying my hardest to stay away from a two tank system .
__________________
93 300 D 2.5 turbo

Last edited by Glowplug; 04-24-2008 at 01:04 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 04-24-2008, 12:41 AM
bgkast's Avatar
Rollin' on 16s
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Vancouver WA
Posts: 6,528
Check out the biodiesel.infopop forum. Cold veg oil on cold start up will gum up your rings which is why one tank systems are rubbish.
__________________
1979 240D- 316K miles - VGT Turbo, Intercooler, Stick Shift, Many Other Mods - Daily Driver

1982 300SD - 232K miles - Wife's Daily Driver

1986 560SL - Wife's red speed machine
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 04-24-2008, 12:43 AM
Glowplug's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Tulsa, OK
Posts: 71
Well, i should have clarrified, i was planning on running a blend of WVO and Diesel (50/50 to 80/20) to get my price down to about 2.00 a gallon.

Would this setup be better suited for a blended fuel rather than pure WVO ?
__________________
93 300 D 2.5 turbo
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 04-24-2008, 01:43 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 105
WVO conversions

If you have done tons of research then you must be familiar with the "two-tank" system. In some of the 2-tank applications engine coolant is routed through the 2nd tank to heat the WVO so it will flow at cold temps.

This ebay configuration draws then heats the WVO from the original tank. The WVO in an unheated tank will be too viscous to flow effectively at startup in cold temperatures.

Plus there are heat sensors and automatic switching that scare me. With a manual 2-tank system you can switch over to WVO once your temp guage tells you that the engine coolant, and thus the WVO, is at operating temperature. WVO is about being aware of your automobile, manually switching to WVO from diesel or bio diesel is no big thing. If you forget to purge (switch back to diesel) and have to cold start with WVO in the fuel system it can be a challenge, but a manageable one.

I have a heated 2-tank system and I can't see how it can be done otherwise, except in the tropics.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 04-24-2008, 04:13 AM
mbzr4ever's Avatar
Registered Wahine
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 614
Quote:
I have a heated 2-tank system and I can't see how it can be done otherwise, except in the tropics.
Can I get away with it? I live on the Big Island of Hawaii, average low is 66 degrees F, coldest it gets here (guessing) about 50 degrees F. Thinking about adding the vo to the d2 ( which is 5 - 25% bio-diesel).
__________________
1991 300E 124.030 103.983KE 722358 03 412178
207K

1979 240D 123.123 250K (Project car)

2000 Ford Ranger, 187K

2015 Dodge Ram 1500 EcoDiesel 37K
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 04-24-2008, 05:19 AM
ForcedInduction
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
No climate is warm enough to use a single tank "conversion".
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 04-24-2008, 07:46 AM
daw_two's Avatar
diesel enthusiast
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Germantown, TN
Posts: 5,452
Quote:
Originally Posted by ForcedInduction View Post
No climate is warm enough to use a single tank "conversion".
concur

If you want to use an alternative fuel in a one tank car without modifications to your car, I would suggest you do a ton of research about biodiesel ---- UVO which has gone thru the transestherfication process.
__________________
daw_two
Germantown, TN

Links:
Sold last car --- 05/2012 1984 300D Light Ivory, Red interior
No longer selling Cluster Needles Paint
No longer selling New Old Stock (NOS) parts

Past:
3/2008 1986 300SDL "Coda"
04/2010 1965 190D(c) "Ben"
& many more
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 04-14-2009, 01:38 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: San Diego
Posts: 3,588
Quote:
Originally Posted by daw_two View Post
concur

If you want to use an alternative fuel in a one tank car without modifications to your car, I would suggest you do a ton of research about biodiesel ---- UVO which has gone thru the transestherfication process.
Elsbett has done many Single Tank conversion. Are they all wrong? Single tank works and it works well.
__________________
Not MBZ nor A/C trained professional but a die-hard DIY and green engineer. Use the info at your own peril. Picked up 2 Infractions because of disagreements. NOW reversed.

W124 Keyless remote, PM for details. http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/mercedes-used-parts-sale-wanted/334620-fs-w124-chasis-keyless-remote-%2450-shipped.html

1 X 2006 CDI
1 x 87 300SDL
1 x 87 300D
1 x 87 300TDT wagon
1 x 83 300D
1 x 84 190D ( 5 sp ) - All R134 converted + keyless entry.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 04-24-2008, 10:12 AM
Unofficial wormcan opener
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Ashland, MA
Posts: 2,602
Quote:
Originally Posted by ForcedInduction View Post
No climate is warm enough to use a single tank "conversion".
I think the climate on Mercury or Venus would be OK.

Please buy a dumpy old 123, AKA Volvo twin for the grease. There really are not enough of the '93 124 diesels left. Just like some of you guys think the 124 is ugly, some of us are not to enamored with the 123. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
__________________
1987 300TD 309, xxx 2.8.2014 10,000 mile OCI


Be careful of the toes you step on today, as they may be connected to the ass you have to kiss tomorrow. anonymous

“Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don’t matter, and those who matter won’t mind.” Dr. Seuss
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 04-24-2008, 09:16 AM
grindMARC's Avatar
Mersoydes 300SDL
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Trenton, NJ
Posts: 186
Quote:
Originally Posted by mbzr4ever View Post
Can I get away with it? I live on the Big Island of Hawaii, average low is 66 degrees F, coldest it gets here (guessing) about 50 degrees F. Thinking about adding the vo to the d2 ( which is 5 - 25% bio-diesel).
It snowed once when I was on the Big Island. Don't go up into the volcanoes and you should be fine.

In all seriousness, I would never run straight VO in a single tank setup. MAYBE a blend, but never 100% VO.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On




All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:08 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2024 Pelican Parts, LLC - Posts may be archived for display on the Peach Parts or Pelican Parts Website -    DMCA Registered Agent Contact Page