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locry 06-11-2005 04:10 AM

about to reinstall 603 head, tips?
 
ok, so i got the head back from the machine shop. it was refaced i think to the absolute limit. all the pits where water might seep in to the cylinders were filled, valves and guides are all new.

i removed the head myself for the first time, so this will also be my first reinstallation. anything i should be wary of? do i put sealant on the headgasket or is it not necessary?

i cleaned the top of the pistons. i noticed that when i removed the head some of the carbon deposits and some crud fell into the cylinders, i vacuumed all that can be vacuumed but looking in with a flashlight i see some made it between the piston and the walls, will those be burned during combustion?

tips and tricks needed. :)

sixto 06-11-2005 04:18 AM

Do you have a manual to guide you? The reason I ask is that you mention sealant for the head gasket. Cam tower tightening sequence is very important!

If you need to replace the thermostat, do it before you reinstall the head.

Sixto
95 S420
87 300SDL

t walgamuth 06-11-2005 07:05 AM

carbon
 
the small amount of carbon left should blow out. i believe that sealand on the head gasket is a matter of opinion. some say yes some no. i believe my machinist does. he uses a spray on type and when i did my own i used the same stuff. i believe it was prestone brand. if nobody else has a suggestion here i will call him and ask what brand for sure.

locry 06-11-2005 10:45 AM

all i have is a haynes manual, it helped a lot during the disassembly. i am aware of the cam tightening sequence, upon disassembly i realized its importance. :sun_smile

no mention was made about putting sealant so i assume its not needed. what kind of prep work do i have to do? should i lightly coat the mating surfaces with oil or do i dry them out completely?

and do i oil the cylinders? the engine has been sitting for nearly a month so all the oil is in the pan.

before i fire it up (when i get there), is there a way to prime the oil pump or something? do i rotate the engine manualy (before installing the injectors) to get the oil to circulate?

dieseldiehard 06-11-2005 01:56 PM

Haynes manuals are they explicit about tightening sequence? Look at the Reinz web site for info on the 603 headbolt tightening procedure I believe its there, it works. I remember someone commenting on a MB manual that mis-described the cam removal procedure. You can crack the camshaft if you get off on removing and replacing the cam tie downs.

You're going to crank it over quite a lot to purge the air in the fuel lines, too bad they didn't put a manual primer pump in these engines :( and during that time the oil will pump up good. I would squirt oil in the cylinders anyhow.
I have a preference for Reinz gaskets, I'd throw out an OE or Elring gasket and use Reinz if I were in your shoes. No sealant either.
Are you replacing the lifters?

sixto 06-11-2005 02:02 PM

Dang! I thought I had a taker for that Elring gasket in the garage :)

Sixto
95 S420
87 300SDL

sixto 06-11-2005 02:13 PM

One thing I thought of after installing the head was to put a half cup of 0W-40 (flows like coffee when cold) in each cylinder and see how long it takes to drain. Would this give some indication of ring condition?

In retrospect you should have lubed and wrapped the parts you took off the engine. I lay parts in plastic wrap, slather with oil or WD-40 and cover with more plastic wrap. For most people this probably isn't necessary but I manage to stretch jobs like a 20 hour head R&R over 4 months :/

When the block sat with the head off I poured oil into each cylinder and every few days wet the cylinder walls. I sucked out the oil with a TopSider before installing the head.

Sixto
95 S420
87 300SDL

locry 06-11-2005 08:11 PM

i'm using a victor reinz head gasket, at the time i didn't know what to get... it was the only one they had available, whew!

initially i wrapped the cam, it was the machine shop that let it get exposed. the haynes does indeed have the cam removal/tightening sequence as well as the head sequences.

if i do the oil leakdown thing what amount and how long should they drain ideally?

what about the prep prior to gasket installation? do i apply a coating of oil or do they go in dry?

And no, i didn't replace the lifters, should i? i'm a little over budget right now, if i HAVE to then i will. I understand that i have to prime the lifters, is it as simple as submerging them in oil and pressing on them till they get packed with oil?

t walgamuth 06-11-2005 09:46 PM

lube
 
i would use white assembly lube on the cam during assembly. not essential but insurance.

WANT '71 280SEL 06-12-2005 01:47 AM

locry, the head gasket goes on dry. To prep it, just make sure the two surfaces are very clean and bone dry.

Thanks
David

locry 06-12-2005 03:31 AM

so bone dry it is... thanks pardner!

h2odiesel 06-12-2005 08:09 AM

Victor Reinz may be an original equipment manufactuer, but I'd used the real Mercedes Gasket on the head. It has been updated around seven times to address sealing problems. The latest edition has got it right. Just to give you something to scratch your head about, did your machine shop shim the prechambers to match the head shaving as directed in the factory manual? Also you' want to double check and probably adjust cam timing and pump timing as removing material from the head retards both.

BusyBenz 06-12-2005 04:56 PM

Lifters generally keep the oil in them after you ran it last, but now is a prime time to check each one. A weak lifter will have little resistance when pushing the center contact inward. A good one will be hard to push in.

I didn't use any lubes, or sealant when replacing my head gasket on my 603. The last stage of torquing the head bolts will make loud creaking sounds, as you might hear if you were over tightening, don't worry about that!

TimFreeh 06-12-2005 10:31 PM

But you might want to measure the head bolts before you re-install them. The 603 uses stretch-to-yield bolts and they must be replaced if they have reached a maximum length.

Palangi 06-12-2005 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by locry
all i have is a haynes manual

There's a Haynes manual covering the OM603? First time I have heard of that. What manual is it exactly?


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