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Old 06-12-2005, 03:47 PM
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Rear main seal

I'm about to pull the engine on my 300SD, due to a bad oil leak. It looks like a rear main seal to me. However I herd somewhere these rear main (rope seals) almost never go bad. Anyone have any experience with this.

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Old 06-12-2005, 03:58 PM
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It can't last ForEver.....
They wear out just like other seals.... we are just so used to our engines going much longer than usual engines that we are surprised when something like this gives way....
However, if you want to hold on to hope.... I am assuming you are thinking it is leaking from the placement of the drip...
It could be the big ball bearing placed at the end of the main oil channel ...
But you have to do most of the same labor to get to that anyway....

Hey, just saw your location....another candidate for Central Texas Gettogethers....
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Old 06-12-2005, 04:02 PM
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Verify its not your headgasket seeping oil at the rear of the head, thats far more common than rear main seals leaking.
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Old 06-12-2005, 04:30 PM
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It can't last ForEver.....
They wear out just like other seals.... we are just so used to our engines going much longer than usual engines that we are surprised when something like this gives way....
However, if you want to hold on to hope.... I am assuming you are thinking it is leaking from the placement of the drip...
It could be the big ball bearing placed at the end of the main oil channel ...
But you have to do most of the same labor to get to that anyway....

Hey, just saw your location....another candidate for Central Texas Gettogethers....
I was hopeing some one would come up with the ball bearing theory.
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Old 06-12-2005, 04:36 PM
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Hope Springs Eternal.....
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Verify its not your headgasket seeping oil at the rear of the head, thats far more common than rear main seals leaking.
I replaced the head gasket a couple of years ago. My dad and I took it to the car wash and blasted all the oil and grime off of it. We cleaned all around the oil filter and back of the head good. When we drove it home and looked there was only oil coming from the split line between the engine and transmission.
I sure don't want to pull that crank
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Sure don't blame you there... and if you plan on doing it during Spring...you had better get crackin.... only about a week left of that...and it will be getting hotter....
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Old 06-12-2005, 06:16 PM
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main seal

be sure while you are at it to check the bearings for wear. often if the bearings are shot the seals wont hold the pressure which is greater if the bearings are loose.
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I can't seem to find a primary oil pan gasket for a 617. I found a vague reference to sealing compound in the factory manual. Is this one of those gasket in a tube things?
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No gasket on the upper aluminum oil pan - just the smaller, lower one.
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Old 06-21-2005, 11:51 AM
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I got the engine/transmission pulled this weekend. I can't see where the oil is coming from, but I suspect the two interference fit ball bearings that cap off the oil passages. Next time I have off I will clean it up real good, fill it with oil, and roll it over with the starter to bring up the oil pressure. If these passages leak I will replace them with two 1/2 inch pipe plugs.
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I still have not seen anyone give a logical explanation as to why those balls are there instead of a pipe plug... in the first place...
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The only thing I can figure is, it's cheaper to drill a hole and punch a ball bearing in it then it is to drill and tap (two steps) for a plug. Witch also requires machine work. If the same method were used as for the front, it would also require facing for the copper washer to seat to. I thought the same thing and this was the only explaition I could come up with.
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I got the rear main replaced. I had to pull the crank! I also replaced the two ball bearing that close the oil passages in the back with 1/2 inch pipe plugs. This should fix my oil leak. I got the engine all back together and ready to drop in. I did take the opportunity to check the B2 piston and thank goodness I have the upgraded piston. I tore the engine down so far I might as well overhauled it. I should have it up an running by Wednesday. I'll let you know how it turns out
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Old 07-10-2005, 11:10 PM
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Any pictures of while you were doing it all?

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