Center vents problem

[Steve300]

My car is 1985 300D Turbo.
When AC is tuning on, no air is coming out from the center vents.
When heater is turning on, hot air coming out from side vents plus the center vents (instead from the footwell)
What could be the problem?
How can I permanently leave the center vents open without removing the dash board?

Thank you

Steve

[P.E.Haiges]

Bump, I'll be watching for answers.

P E H

[joe p]

I pulled the glove box liner from mine rolled the rubber boot back and knocked the pushrod off mine. Then put the flap in the open posistion and went at it. Full on air unless the vent wheels were closed, worked great.

I also shoved a golf t into the lines running to the center vent element and the defroster closed fully after that. (mine failed at the beach and this was a supoosedly "temporary fix" that I liked.



Joe

[P.E.Haiges]

Joe p,

Were you able to access the preumatic cylinder thru the glovebox?

P E H

[joe p]

Originally posted by P.E.Haiges
Joe p,

Were you able to access the preumatic cylinder thru the glovebox?

P E H

I could touch it but not remove it. I've got BIG hands and barely got in there.



Joe

[lrg]

PEH
I assume by "pneumatic cylinder" you mean vacuum actuator that drives the flap behind the center vents. It is possible to access that with the glovebox removed. I've actually replaced mine that way (on the 123) without removing the dash. It's not easy but it is possible. Obviously, if you can replace the actuator itself you can get at the vacuum lines.

Steve
If the center vents are working correctly they should open only for cold air and not with hot. It sounds like your vents are working but the vacuum lines may have been reversed at some point. When the actuator on the center vent fails it tends to work only intermittantly and/or leaks enough that you'll notice the whole system (locks, engine shutoff, etc.) working poorly. If you can hear the vent opening and closing and don't have a vacuum leak problem then I think you may be able to fix this just by tracing the vacuum lines and looking to see if they got reversed at some point. It's worth a try.

LRG

[P.E.Haiges]

Jeo p,

Thanks.

Irg,

Yes I meant the pneumatic cylinder (spelled wrong) or vacuum actuator. Mine is a '87 126 (300SDL) and the center vent never opens. Do you know if I can get at that one thru the glove box opening?

P E H

[lrg]

PEH
I don't know about the 126. It's possible on the 123 but not the 124 so even though there might be more space behind the dash of the 126 it's largely related to the design. On the 123 you have to remove the glovebox and center vents. I found with my smallish hands I could reach the actuator with my right hand and use my left hand to manipulate tools through the center vents. The main problem is that 80% of the work is done by feel (unless your x-ray vision is working). On the 123 the job wasn't hard or time consuming as much as it was just fussy and frustrating. Depending upon what you need to do you might have just enough room in your 126 if you get a bit creative. As you probably know, a common failure point is the rubber bladders in the actuators that crack and leak. If all the vacuum plumbing looks good and nothing is obviously broken you probably need a new actuator (the early ones are rebuildable but the later ones generally are not). I have to admit it's great having those center vents working on a hot summer day. Sounds like it's time to break out the mityVac. Good luck.
LRG

[Veloce300DT]

When the A/C is on, are the middles vents SPPOSED to blast air as much as the side vents? If so I want them to, its hot here! I have the ice cold A/C, but its only cool enough for front passengers. The middle ones running stronger could cool the whole car down quicker.

[Steve300]

Irg:
Thank you for the reply.
I don't know how the vacumm lines got reversed. This just happened the past winter when heater was on, heat coming from side and center vents (instead of side vents and floor wells).
Now when AC is on, air coming from side vents and floor wells, but not from center vents.
I don't have vacuum leak problems. Door locks, engine shut off etc. are fine.
Do you know the locations of the vacumm lines to the floor wells and center vents?

Thank you

Steve

Why not have the center vents on for hot air?

As for the flap, will wedging it open affect any other vents?

[Fisherman]

I changed the electric couplers on the switchover valves 4 and 5 in the 81 126 and now when it is hot outside (ambient air) the center vents come on. I do not have any recirculating air now but I can live with that.
I have not been able to daignose the causes to my system yet btu this was my quick fix.

[lrg]

Steve,
There is a vacuum terminal of sorts behind the climate control unit on the center console that services all the major vacuum lines. I'm not sure if it's easier to get at by removing the ACC or by removing the passenger side kick panel, it's been quite a while since I've done it. Maybe someone else here has done it recently and can offer more specific help. Once you get at it you'll want to remove the lines one by one and test them with a MityVac to see which line operates which actuator. You should be able to hear them open and close (with the engine off obviously). Switch the line for the center vent with the one that operates the side vents. You may need to experiment a bit to get it right. Take some notes so you can put things back as they were in case you need to. Good luck.
LRG

[mplafleur]

The vacuum pod for the center vents on the 126 is above the drivers knee. You have to remove the knee bolster and maybe the left center console side cover.

The vacuum pod is controled by relay number 4 found on the right side of the console. I can actuate the pod by applying vacuum to the line. The temperature controll module is not turning on the vacuum relay. Therefore I may just put a switch on the side of the console and control the relay manually.

[Labsnducks]

According to the Owners Manual (in German)for my 1984 300D (Euro spec), and the 1981 English version, the center vents are fresh air (not heated / not cooled) only.