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Old 03-03-2006, 10:06 PM
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bugs still on 86 SDL~ vacuum and cruise

I have put several 100 miles on the replacement motor and its running great but I have a small list to do before I take a long trip next week!

I loose the vacuum in the brakes which comes back 1-min after I start it but is usually gone the next time I get back in!
When I found the EGR vacuum all messed up I wasnt getting heater flaps and they have been fine since and are still working when the brakes are acting up.
I priced a check valve today @ $75.00 so i guess i need to make sure that's the problem!...any suggestions?

Also my cruise seems to have a gremilin!
Tried to engage it today and as before it just exceled but would not hold!
About 3 min later it just suddenly excellerated on its own...kinda freeked me out!.....it tried to keep up speed but did it in a sloppy way.....little too fast then a little too slow!
Tried it again on the way home and it was as before~ just excelling!
any ideas?

While I was at the dealer gettin my keys copied I asked about ATF and a guy standing there who works on em said mercon 3 or 4 by castrol will be right for the car?...just want to top it of before the trip.

Still have a "HUNTING" idle mut I noticed a few others have the same issue and have not read any ideas on a cause!

Any ideas are greatly appreciated!

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Old 03-03-2006, 10:36 PM
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I loose the vacuum in the brakes which comes back 1-min after I start it but is usually gone the next time I get back in!
When I found the EGR vacuum all messed up I wasnt getting heater flaps and they have been fine since and are still working when the brakes are acting up.
I priced a check valve today @ $75.00 so i guess i need to make sure that's the problem!...any suggestions?
I would get a vacuum gauge and set it up on the main vacuum line. The system should develop sufficient vacuum to run the brakes within 15 seconds of starting the engine.......maybe less. The vacuum pump may be marginal or, you may still have a vacuum leak.

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Also my cruise seems to have a gremilin!
Tried to engage it today and as before it just exceled but would not hold!
About 3 min later it just suddenly excellerated on its own...kinda freeked me out!.....it tried to keep up speed but did it in a sloppy way.....little too fast then a little too slow!
Tried it again on the way home and it was as before~ just excelling!
any ideas?
A classic sign of an amplifier on the way out. I've had the same issue with the '86 until it finally went altogether. The system consists of an amplifier and a servo. An old servo that draws too much current can toast the amplifier. The system is interrelated and a new amplifier might not be the only issue. The servo should be tested for proper function before changing the amplifier. I've still got to do this task on the '86 when it warms up a bit.

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While I was at the dealer gettin my keys copied I asked about ATF and a guy standing there who works on em said mercon 3 or 4 by castrol will be right for the car?...just want to top it of before the trip.
I think any Dexron III or better will be fine for the trans. Some folks have changed to synthetic and swear by it.

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Still have a "HUNTING" idle mut I noticed a few others have the same issue and have not read any ideas on a cause!
It's been observed to a greater or lesser extent on some of them. I don't think anyone has a handle on it.
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Old 03-04-2006, 05:27 AM
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I believe the servo in the SDL killed the amp. I have two extra servos but have no clue how to test the one in the vehicle currently and how/if I can test the others. CC would be nice in that vehicle.

Dex III is the Mercon, works mkay for me. Buy the cheapo stuff by the gallon is what I do.
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Old 03-04-2006, 08:24 AM
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I believe the servo in the SDL killed the amp. I have two extra servos but have no clue how to test the one in the vehicle currently and how/if I can test the others. CC would be nice in that vehicle.
GDL has a procedure for testing the servos. I printed it out and can probably find it online on their site if you need it.
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Old 03-04-2006, 12:37 PM
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I don't know if my experience with an erratic cruise will apply to your situation...but who knows, and maybe it will help someone else.
I got into my speedo head to fix my slipping odometer (I found a fix if anyone is interested)...while relubing and adjusting everything in there, I inadvertently loosened the speedo damper so that every irregularity in the cable or gear in the tranny was displayed on the speedo.

So look to see if your speedo needle is rock solid or the amp will see erratic info. Could even be a speedo cable or tranny speedo gear problem.
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Old 03-04-2006, 03:51 PM
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GDL has a procedure for testing the servos. I printed it out and can probably find it online on their site if you need it.


Who/what is GDL? I could fix this today!
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Who/what is GDL? I could fix this today!
Well, you probably won't fix it, but, you'll know a hell of a lot more than you do right now:

http://www.gdl-online.com/test023.html

But, you have to report back on what you did and the results.
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Old 03-04-2006, 04:09 PM
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Well, you probably won't fix it, but, you'll know a hell of a lot more than you do right now:

http://www.gdl-online.com/test023.html

But, you have to report back on what you did and the results.


I have to wake up a bit more before I can fully understand that page.

Still I lean toward the servo as I have a few extra amps here I've tried to no avail... maybe it'll only be the switch!
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before you run the traps on the cruise, be sure to clean and re-lube all the little throttle knuckles/connectors....you might get lucky and just have a sticky linkage system. This may not help, but it one of those 800 little-bitty thinks that should be done anyway.
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Old 03-04-2006, 05:21 PM
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before you run the traps on the cruise, be sure to clean and re-lube all the little throttle knuckles/connectors....you might get lucky and just have a sticky linkage system. This may not help, but it one of those 800 little-bitty thinks that should be done anyway.
He doesn't have much of those on the 603. Much greater simplification of the cruise actuator/rack. In fact, the actuator is inline with the rack. You can't run the vehicle without the actuator in place.
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Well, you probably won't fix it, but, you'll know a hell of a lot more than you do right now:

http://www.gdl-online.com/test023.html

But, you have to report back on what you did and the results.
Thanks, Brian, that is a REALLY helpful link...I can't tell you the time and trouble it saves in physically or with on ohm meter tracing inputs/outputs. I started once, and gave up

I would still like to find a schematic of the amp...and one for the tach amp that goes on the '83 W123's and some W126's.
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Old 03-04-2006, 07:26 PM
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I would still like to find a schematic of the amp...and one for the tach amp that goes on the '83 W123's and some W126's.
That would be quite the find..........a full schematic of that amp. But, I'm sure it exists somewhere.
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Old 03-04-2006, 09:52 PM
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That would be quite the find..........a full schematic of that amp. But, I'm sure it exists somewhere.
There was talk of reverse engineering that bloody thing. I put the longevity of VDO tach modules at 3 on a scale of 10
I purchased a new for my wife's '83 300D and it died about 5 years later. I stuffed something in the cap and it came back to normal only to poop out again later, now nothing will revive it, including Cramolin on the pins. Maybe it needs some voodoo at midnight?
If we had the schematic you can bet someone will soon start selling replacement modules made in USA
Maybe that's why VDO potted it with some space age material
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Old 03-04-2006, 09:56 PM
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If we had the schematic you can bet someone will soon start selling replacement modules made in USA
Maybe that's why VDO potted it with some space age material
I don't know how they do it, but GDL has the facilities to completely test them and fix whatever is malfunctioning. I'm sure that they don't use more than $5.00 worth of parts to do it. Nice business if you can figure out the electronics of it.

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