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tangofox007 05-04-2006 11:29 AM

Oil Cooler Hose Source
 
Replaced my front crankshaft seal and I was oil leak free for about a week. Until I decided to adjust the IP timing. Now the IP gasket is leaking as bad as the old crank seal.

I suppose I should renew the oil cooler hoses while the oil filter housing is off. The local MB dealer wants $180 for the two hoses. Anyone know a better source for genuine MB hoses? (I don't want an aftermarket version.)

Craig 05-04-2006 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by tangofox007
The local MB dealer wants $180 for the two hoses. Anyone know a better source for genuine MB hoses? (I don't want an aftermarket version.)

Fastlane has them closer to $140, I think they're OEM.

Angel 05-04-2006 12:06 PM

I found a local hydraulics supply place (in cincinnati, "Ohio Hydraulics" and brought the old hoses into them, told them what it was for, and I think I was only $60 lighter when I left. I'd do it again. (with due consideration of the forum)

They arent OEM, but a hydraulic place will have the "good" crimping tools to do the job well-thier other customers were guys and companies with Bobcats and hydroseeders...). I can't speak for performance becuase that 300D that took me to the hose place was running with hose clamps on the oil lines, and a hose clamp came off on the way home - I caught it but not in time :( my mistake=my loss

-John

JimmyL 05-04-2006 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by tangofox007
The local MB dealer wants $180 for the two hoses. Anyone know a better source for genuine MB hoses? (I don't want an aftermarket version.)

I don't think $180 for factory hoses is too terribly bad really.
My wagon has hoses from Performance Products, and I'm pleased with their quality.

Hit Man X 05-04-2006 04:09 PM

I have some OEM ones on my SD now, been on there over a month or so I'd say now. No leaks, fit fine, etc. Just over $100 for my two if you shop around.

kip Foss 05-04-2006 06:10 PM

Attention folks. This topic has come up many times and the answer is to salvage the ends off of your existing hoses, go to the local parts/hydraulic hose shop and get new hoses made. I just had mine done for $10 each. The process is so easy as to make no odds. Try it, you'll like it.

SD300 05-04-2006 06:24 PM

The oil pressure is about 4-5 bar , not more than a 100 lbs psi. So most of these hydraulic hose places should be able to crimp them for you.
A Cat , Bob cat hydraulic system got to be 1500 psi.
So as your power steering pump be at least 1000 psi.
While this subject is up, some newer model Benzes had these el cheapo power steering pump clamp fail prematurely too. Cause big prob for a lot of folks.

dieseldiehard 05-04-2006 06:52 PM

I worry about the hose material, we are pre-supposing that you are saying a hydraulic place crimps on NEW HOSE for you. The OE hose is made of layered material that seems to be vulcanized somehow. Its tough stuff compared to some hoses stuff I've seen that uses a nylon web inside two rubber layers. I also spoke with a local hose place that said they could make up a hydraulic hose and crimp metric ends "most likely" for me. I took that to mean if they had the right ends they would crimp them on to whatever hose they could find that is used for hydraulic service. I wanted hose material that absolutely would be rated for hot oil and that wouldn't compromise my newly rebuilt 617, so it was off to the dealer and they give me a small discount that helps.
And while I'm thinking of this subject let me remind folks that removing the hose fittings from the oil cooler can sometimes take the make threads with them being aluminum and all they fuse onto the steel threads in a bad way. To avoid this I slit the nuts with a small cutting wheel (Dremel) or remove the oil cooler with the hose ends attached (cut them off!) then remove the ends carefully this will mean the difference of another $280 or so If you do it right you won't be replacing the cooler also!

bud640 05-04-2006 08:44 PM

Hoses
 
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Originally Posted by kip Foss
Attention folks. This topic has come up many times and the answer is to salvage the ends off of your existing hoses, go to the local parts/hydraulic hose shop and get new hoses made. I just had mine done for $10 each. The process is so easy as to make no odds. Try it, you'll like it.

I just redone my hydraulic hose for the SLS. That hose sells for near $200. Bought hose off E-Bay for $4.15 and put the ends from old hose on. The ends were a booger to get on but very do-able.

jbaj007 05-04-2006 09:32 PM

If you do mess up the threads onthe oil cooler there is this from an earlier post:

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I copied the following off one of the forums or mailing lists, but I can't remember which one. Applies to a 617, but has some applicable info for your oil cooler, I believe. It's interesting that MB even offers this replacement part (screwed nipple). Whoever came up with that name?



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The correct metric size is 27mm or you can use 1 & 1/16 inch. Be very careful removing the oil lines from the oil cooler. The threaded nipples on the cooler are soft aluminum and will strip or gall easily. I replaced my oil cooler lines last May. Despite slowly working the coupling nut with lots a penetrating oil, I still galled the threads on the cooler. A new oil cooler is $300. I planned for this and expected something like this to happen. I bought new threaded fittings for in between the oil lines and oil filter housing because I expected the old fittings to strip when I took them off the line couplings. These fittings are less than $5.00 each. I reused the original fittings so I have an extra set now. All I had to do is cut the aluminum threads off the oil cooler, drill a pilot hole, tap new threads, and install the new fittings. The thread tap size is 18mm by 1.5mm. The drill size for the pilot hole is 21/32 inches, I don't know the metric equivalent. It took a local machinist 15 minutes to cut off the aluminum threads back to the nut part, drill the pilot holes (there's plenty of metal there), and tap the new threads. It took longer to rinse out all the aluminum filings and grit out of the cooler than it did to work on it. Here are the MB part numbers for the threaded oil line fittings and copper washers. MB Part # Description 915013-013002 Screwed Nipples (That's what the label said.) 007603-018101 Ring, General, Metal "

After reading this, I ordered two new "screwed nipples" to have on hand from the dealer and they are copper fittings that were not unreasonably priced. FWIW
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dieseldiehard 05-05-2006 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by jbaj007
If you do mess up the threads onthe oil cooler there is this from an earlier post:

I'm windering where did you obtain those nipples? The p/n's aren't in the regular MB format. I'd like to try to repair the 603 oil cooler I ruined last year, this sounds very good but I need the parts to try it. Maybe the dealer you used will have a record of the transaction and can order for some of us?

jbaj007 05-05-2006 06:16 PM

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Here's the "nipples" and the package, straight from MB. Good luck. On the paper work, they were ordered using the above listed part # 915013-013002

tangofox007 05-05-2006 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jbaj007
Here's the "nipples" and the package, straight from MB. Good luck.

Those look like the same nipples that are in the oil filter housing. Which would not be unreasonable.


All those folks who have purchased new oil coolers will be sick when they see this!!!

jbaj007 05-05-2006 08:01 PM

tangofox007,

I just took them out to the car and eyeball comparison shows them to, indeed, be the same as the nipples on the oil filter housing. Once again...ain't German engineering grand! (Well, except for the air cleaner mount, the cruise control amp and the climate control servo, etc. ;) ;))


Edit: I just looked up the part # on the EPC for the oil filter nipples and tangofox was correct. The part # is exactly the same as for the repair "screwed nipple" for the oil cooler!!

dieseldiehard 05-05-2006 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by jbaj007
tangofox007,

I just took them out to the car and eyeball comparison shows them to, indeed, be the same as the nipples on the oil filter housing. Once again...ain't German engineering grand! (Well, except for the air cleaner mount, the cruise control amp and the climate control servo, etc. ;) ;))

Thanks! Maybe when I show the fellow at the parts counter at the local dealership he can go and order some for me. I suppose they kinda like to $ell a new oil cooler and would rather people NOT know abuot these things!
Nipples! Hooray!
oh yes, speaking of great German engineering like the the W202 shock towers that fail, the wiring harnesses that get flaky on newer models, etc etc.


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