PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum (http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/)
-   Diesel Discussion (http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/)
-   -   Ebay Seller At it again! (http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/158877-ebay-seller-again.html)

redassag00 07-18-2006 06:08 PM

Ebay Seller At it again! See post #65
 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-300TD-1985-300TD-W123-TURBO-DIESEL-STATION-WAGON-WARRANTY-FL_W0QQitemZ220008089122QQihZ012QQcategoryZ6330QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Our favorite 'artist' is at it again. Look at the older fuel/temp/oil pressure gauge,
incorrectly sized tires, and incorrect carpet (obviously aftermarket replacement).

Anything else you guys see?

Rahulio1989300E 07-18-2006 06:15 PM

Wow, you are good! I almost missed the gauge, I had no idea about the carpet, looked original to me.

Could it be a flood damage car? I dunno, why else would someone replace ALL carpet? I guess it could get quite moldy and hazardous if the car was stored in a damp and dark area.

Hatterasguy 07-18-2006 06:27 PM

Look at the ash tray, it was a smokers car. I'd love to see one of these in person. This looks like a classic, buy at auction cheap, buff, sell as mint used car deal.

techguy512 07-18-2006 06:48 PM

I say flood. The cargo nets look like they have been dried after sitting in muddy water.

TWeatherford 07-18-2006 06:48 PM

yep, a carfax reveals that the car was sold at auction recently...

winmutt 07-18-2006 07:06 PM

Funny about the net. I was thinking the spare tire well looked awefully dirty. Also I think it is still the original carpet, just died. Its to light to be brown and to dark to be palamino. Why no pics of the storage/3rd row seat?

JimmyL 07-18-2006 07:09 PM

You would think he would at least put new headlights in that wagon.
Is that minnows I see swimming in the bottom of those?? :splat:

catmandoo62 07-18-2006 07:47 PM

didn't this guy have an sdl on awhile back,if so they both look like they have earl schieb paint jobs.they might shine but have no clarity as an original mb paint job.

darkmoebius 07-18-2006 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JimmyL
You would think he would at least put new headlights in that wagon.Is that minnows I see swimming in the bottom of those?? :splat:

Holy crap, you're not kidding!!! Is that really a few inches of water in the bottom of the headlights? There's clearly a lot of condensation in the right one.

http://www.imageviper.com/displayima...ai_42k_200.jpg
Quote:

Originally Posted by winmutt
I was thinking the spare tire well looked awefully dirty.

Looks like it was submerged for a good while.
http://www.imageviper.com/displayima...ai_42k_160.jpg

Carleton Hughes 07-18-2006 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JimmyL
You would think he would at least put new headlights in that wagon.
Is that minnows I see swimming in the bottom of those?? :splat:

Them's Killyfish,brought up from the gulf courtesy of the NOLA flood I'll betcha.

Jeremy5848 07-18-2006 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redassag00
Our favorite 'artist' is at it again. Look at the older fuel/temp/oil pressure gauge...

What are you seeing in the gauge that I cannot? It looks like the gauge in my 1985 sedan.

techguy512 07-18-2006 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeremy5848
It looks like the gauge in my 1985 sedan.

Look closely at the center 'buttons' (pivot points for speedo and tach needles). The speedo and tach both have black buttons. The center button on the left gauge is chrome. '82 was the last year I think with chrome buttons.

Go look at your '85. The left gauge group should have a black button.

Jeremy5848 07-18-2006 09:23 PM

1 Attachment(s)
Quote:

Originally Posted by techguy512
Look closely at the center 'buttons' (pivot points for speedo and tach needles). The speedo and tach both have black buttons. The center button on the left gauge is chrome. '82 was the last year I think with chrome buttons.

Go look at your '85. The left gauge group should have a black button.

You're good! The seller's car has a gauge in which all three needles come out from a common center with a chrome button. My '85 has three separate little gauges with black buttons as pivot points.

Incidentally, the seller's photo is titled "2004_Hyundai_42k_185.jpg."

Scott98 07-18-2006 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by techguy512
Look closely at the center 'buttons' (pivot points for speedo and tach needles). The speedo and tach both have black buttons. The center button on the left gauge is chrome. '82 was the last year I think with chrome buttons.

Go look at your '85. The left gauge group should have a black button.

I replaced the gauge in my '85 with a chrome buttoned gauge from an earlier model just like this guy did. My reason is because the oil gauge was leaking on the original gauge and I found the other one at a junk yard for $12.

Scott

techguy512 07-18-2006 09:34 PM

No, the sellers car has three gauges with black pivot points, just like yours. The 'phony' center button is chrome, where the later style has no phony center button at all.

greasybenz 07-18-2006 09:51 PM

tsk tsk, couldnt even match the wiper blades. The drivers side wiper looks like a anco blade and the passanger side looks like a bosch.

redassag00 07-18-2006 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by catmandoo62
didn't this guy have an sdl on awhile back,if so they both look like they have earl schieb paint jobs.they might shine but have no clarity as an original mb paint job.


Yes. I always enjoy this guy.....

Heres some more times we've caught his shady rip off deals...his ebay name is similar but some auctions, hes no longer a registered user.....
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/146331-another-ebay-car-our-friend.html
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/143799-our-ebay-friend-again.html
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/141144-ebay-300td-right.html

Those posts I made, he has actually pulled the auction i.e. asked ebay to "no longer make the auction available" plus, he makes his bidders IDs private now, since last time we started emailing the bidders and telling them how jacked the cars were. LAter on, once he started getting bad feedback, he just kills his Ebay ID, and opens another one. How does he have 9 feedbacks at 100%? Easy. What he does is gets several ebay accounts at once with several email addressed. Then, he makes his feedback private. The easiest way to build feedback on ebay is to 'buy' it...don't believe me?

How about going here http://everythingelse.search.ebay.com/recipe_Other_W0QQsacatZ47103

buying a 'recipe' to cook something. 99 cents. You pay, they send, and do it 10, 100, 1000 times....all of a sudden you have a feedback rating of 100% wiht 1000 positive feedbacks. Who's going to know if your feedback is kept 'private'??


You can always see paint lines around the door handles etc. Very poor prep work. He goes to the trouble of installing every single car he sells with new or refurb wheels. THen misses details. Once, he listed a TD that had a big clock/no tach, then 3 pics down, the car magically grew a tach.

I'm just hoping that someone here doesn't get taken by this dude, thats why Im always watching this character.....

Oh yeah, notice the stick on wood overlay around the shifter.........

ForcedInduction 07-18-2006 11:32 PM

The radio looks like it's showing 8P5mhz.

I'll give it one thing: NO GREEN COOLANT!:D

Jeremy5848 07-19-2006 01:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by techguy512
No, the sellers car has three gauges with black pivot points, just like yours. The 'phony' center button is chrome, where the later style has no phony center button at all.

OK, understand.

Hit Man X 07-19-2006 06:04 AM

Also recently sold a 300TD '87 model.

Hit Man X 07-19-2006 06:21 AM

The brake fluid is NASTY

redassag00 07-19-2006 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ForcedInduction
The radio looks like it's showing 8P5mhz.

I'll give it one thing: NO GREEN COOLANT!:D

Thats because the resevoir is so dark, you can't see inside it!

riethoven 07-19-2006 08:56 AM

I wondered where the cars were coming from
 
So this guy is a dirtbag! I have seen several of his cars on eBay and wondered how he could find so many super clean old diesels. This goes to show how this slimeball is taking advantage of the longevity of our beloved diesels and the spiking price of petroleum to get top dollar for these cars by doing a quicky cosmetics job. This is a distinct negative of the web and eBay. I too bought a Mercedes wagon on eBay that was misrepresented, but not nearly so bad as this one. It just goes to show that one should always actually look and drive a car before purchasing.

redassag00 07-19-2006 04:22 PM

Look how many more he has
http://motors.search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZdeutscheserzeugnis

timmyd 07-19-2006 04:39 PM

I wouldn't be suprised
 
to find out there was shill bidding going on with that fellow. Probably why the user ID's are kept private. Ebay lets everyone screw the purchaser as much as possible. I hate Ebay....

darkmoebius 07-19-2006 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redassag00

Anybody notice that it jumped to $8,100 today?

Somebody is going to be very, very, sorry when they take ownership of this wagon. Can you imagine the rust that is lurking within?

Hey Redassag00,

I notice you are in Katy, TX - any way I could talk you into dropping by and taking a look at this '87 300TD up for auction in your town if it's not too far out of your way?

I've been searching for an '87 for a long time now, they are few and far between. This guy's single picture of the car is horrible(1st warning) and it shows no Carfax registration history prior to 05/22/1997 in Richmond, TX(no mileage). After that, it passed emmissions on 11/02/2003 in Richmond again with 175,100 miles. On 06/01/2004 it was registered to a new owner in Fulshear, TX , but no mileage recorded. Then it passed emmissions again on 01/04/2006 with 204,424 miles.

87tdwagen 07-19-2006 05:20 PM

drivers door out of alignment...and...
 
has been repainted, see the differences in color and sheen inside door jams and outside. Drivers door hangs 1/4 in. too low probably needs hinges. Hate those chrom wheel arches, probably full of rust under them.

Nice car but what a sucker who buys it:rolleyes:

pmari 07-19-2006 05:22 PM

The drivers side interior door release is busted. Look at that rim! (10 o'clock) it got pot holed or flattened some how. Really poor interior detailing! The rims are painted on the car, lug nuts, center cap, valve stem cap, caliper, included. Overspray on the tire, 2nd picture of the rims between 3 and 4 o'clock.

Stay on him redassag00.

Pete Geither 07-19-2006 05:32 PM

I'm sorry to see that the 124 wagons ended in 1987 too. This guy is just full of knowledge.:silly:

redassag00 07-19-2006 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkmoebius
Anybody notice that it jumped to $8,100 today?

Somebody is going to be very, very, sorry when they take ownership of this wagon. Can you imagine the rust that is lurking within?

Hey Redassag00,

I notice you are in Katy, TX - any way I could talk you into dropping by and taking a look at this '87 300TD up for auction in your town if it's not too far out of your way?

I've been searching for an '87 for a long time now, they are few and far between. This guy's single picture of the car is horrible(1st warning) and it shows no Carfax registration history prior to 05/22/1997 in Richmond, TX(no mileage). After that, it passed emmissions on 11/02/2003 in Richmond again with 175,100 miles. On 06/01/2004 it was registered to a new owner in Fulshear, TX , but no mileage recorded. Then it passed emmissions again on 01/04/2006 with 204,424 miles.

Sure, I dont mind. Send me a PM with where he is, and what you're looking for me to look for! I cant guaruntee I'm an expert, but I can know what to look for if you tell me!

redassag00 07-19-2006 06:14 PM

Uh Oh! Do the words in his auction look familiar???
Heres the Mercedes 123 .net site http://mercedes-w123.net/buyers_guide.htm

And heres what he posted....
Quote:

Buyers Guide To Type W123 Mercedes-Benz

Vehicles 1976-1985

‘ W123’ is the serial number for this particular model. ‘W’ stands for wagen (car in German) and 123 is purely a series number, not always running in order. On the front cross member, of all Mercedes cars is a small vehicle identification number (V.I.N.) where this number is stamped. On all W123 models these first 3 digits indicate the model of the car the digits that follow indicate specific details of the car, e.g. size of engine, petrol or diesel, automatic or manual etc. It is important you understand the use of this number, especially when ordering parts, as there are vast differences between the models although they will all be known as type W123s. I will separate the vehicle into areas of detailed analysis for the prospective purchaser.

Body shell

There are three main body types, sedan, coupe and wagon although there were a few rare versions for specialists, ambulance, hearse etc.

The W123 was produced at a time in the mid to late seventies when not a great deal of attention was paid to rust proofing, and also because of the huge demand for this model most of the early cars from 76-80 were not as well protected from the elements as they could have been. In 1980 and to the end of it’s life the model was given better wax protection for cavities, plastic liners were fitted to the front wheel arches and better weather-strips were fitted to doors and screens etc, it is this reason that the later cars have survived better.

All cars have mild-steel bodies but unlike SL models the coupe version does not have any alloy panels etc.



Mechanicals

Again all products of Mercedes-Benz during the 70’s were of the highest quality in design and durability. Engines in the early cars 76-80 were carried over from the previous W114/115 models and were noted for their longevity and quality, unfortunately their fuel consumption was not high and their performance not great. The model 250 had a redesigned engine only found in the W123 called M123. ‘M’ stands for motor, but this engine equipped with twin choice down draught carburettors by Solex was not a success, and was discontinued when the new cross-flow engines ‘M102’ were introduced in 1980. The twin cam ‘M110’ in production for the whole of the W123 production produced a superb 185 later188 B.H.P. from just under 2.8 litres and was a high performer. Later engines from ’83 had various economy devices to help increase fuel economy.

Diesel engines are in option of 200 to 300 turbo, again carried over from previous models.

In diesel cars favour is the fact they are almost bombproof if regularly maintained, and are far more reliable than any petrol option. Mileages of over a quarter of a million miles with no major rebuilds are not unusual.

Gearboxes are again of two types, early auto’s and later more economical ones, also manual boxes are 4 speed and later 5 speed. None have any major flaws.

The fuel injection system is very reliable.

The exhaust system is very important and is made from high quality heavy gauge Metal Aluminumised and containing the correct back pressure design, very important to fuel injected engines. Original supplier is; ‘Eberspächer’ which fit underside of car perfectly. Main dealers also supply exhausts now, by a company called ‘Roth’.

Interiors

The four types are cloth, velour, leather and M.B.Tex. Early cloth interiors up to 1980 have a pronounced check design and vinyl on the seats squabs and backs, with a central cloth section. This was changed to a herringbone pattern; before the final full cloth covered seats appeared in 1982 also with a redesigned seat back allowing more rear legroom.

Velour interiors were more expensive and are similar to Draylon in texture but are actually nearly all wool and were very expensive to produce.

Leather interiors are very rare in W123 series cars although there are more coupes and late model ‘T’ series cars with this type of interior than any others. M.B.Tex is short for Mercedes-Benz Textured Punctured Vinyl and is very hard wearing almost indistinguishable from leather and is easy to wipe clean, and personally is my favourite as I find it very comfortable.


yellowbenz 07-19-2006 06:38 PM

ebay buyers
 
I am ashamed to admit that I got taken in on an auction from a dealer (fell in love with a 190D and probably paid about 2000 more than I should). You guys are doing a great service for those on this site who might be looking at these cars. I would encourage anyone who comes across a suspect auction like this to let others know as this site is visited by many who are contemplating one of these fine cars. Common sense sometimes goes out the window when you think you've found "the car".

Kevin
1979 240D manual
1984 190D manual

Hit Man X 07-19-2006 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkmoebius
Anybody notice that it jumped to $8,100 today?

Somebody is going to be very, very, sorry when they take ownership of this wagon. Can you imagine the rust that is lurking within?

Hey Redassag00,

I notice you are in Katy, TX - any way I could talk you into dropping by and taking a look at this '87 300TD up for auction in your town if it's not too far out of your way?

I've been searching for an '87 for a long time now, they are few and far between. This guy's single picture of the car is horrible(1st warning) and it shows no Carfax registration history prior to 05/22/1997 in Richmond, TX(no mileage). After that, it passed emmissions on 11/02/2003 in Richmond again with 175,100 miles. On 06/01/2004 it was registered to a new owner in Fulshear, TX , but no mileage recorded. Then it passed emmissions again on 01/04/2006 with 204,424 miles.



HA, I saw that one on Westgreen last week. :D

Fuzzball 07-19-2006 07:28 PM

All the Carfax data is from Texas and shows no Florida registrations...the florida tags are the same ones used on his 85SD of the same color....and same paint quality.

Actually, that paint job reminds me of my car....which looks like Earl Schieb breathed on it.....

Hatterasguy 07-19-2006 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yellowbenz
I am ashamed to admit that I got taken in on an auction from a dealer (fell in love with a 190D and probably paid about 2000 more than I should). You guys are doing a great service for those on this site who might be looking at these cars. I would encourage anyone who comes across a suspect auction like this to let others know as this site is visited by many who are contemplating one of these fine cars. Common sense sometimes goes out the window when you think you've found "the car".

Kevin
1979 240D manual
1984 190D manual


Yep thats why I try to help anyone in my area who wants one of these cars. Not to brag but I have looked at a few and saved a couple of people a lot of money!:cool: Notice my location in my sig, remember that if you want a car near me.

Mercedes are tough, to someone who knows nothing about them a money pit can look pretty good.

yellowbenz 07-19-2006 07:39 PM

what do you think of this beauty?
 
Not to highjack this thread, but what does anyone think about this 300TD. I wish the pics were better. Always concerned about storage and the problems that entails.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=017&item=270009134087&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBI%3AIT&rd=1
thanks

Kevin
1979 240D manual
1984 190D manual

darkmoebius 07-19-2006 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hit Man X
HA, I saw that one on Westgreen last week. :D

Hi Hitman,

What is Westgreen?

I've already got serious reservations just because of the intentionally crappy picture with the auction. Why would anyone use a pic that makes it impossible to tell the condition of the paint job? Doesn't take a genius.

In all honesty, find it highly unlikely that I will ever buy a car off eBay "sight unseen" and without a compression test, etc. The risks are too high, especially with that has registration or mileage records for the first 10+ years of it's life.

Quote:

Originally Posted by redassag00
Sure, I dont mind. Send me a PM with where he is, and what you're looking for me to look for! I cant guaruntee I'm an expert, but I can know what to look for if you tell me!

Well, now that Hit Man has said he's at least seen it (at a distance), I'd appreciate a gander if you have a chance. I will send the guy an email to see if he responds. A little test drive and look over would be nice. I'll send you a PM when I hear back from the guy.

dkveuro 07-19-2006 07:51 PM

'sheeeeesh ! I can smell the Tire Shine and Armour All from here !:rolleyes:


I've got two o' them vehicles...ones a 7/79 with chrome guage button and 'tothers a blue ( Looks like the old Service barge.)'85 wiv black guage buttons.

Well waddaya know...I'm rich at last !:greedy: :greedy: :greedy: :greedy:

PAMPERED !.......... Looks like the spare wheel was covered in rotor rust from very worn pads.....someone wasn't servicing it too well me thinks.
.

.

darkmoebius 07-19-2006 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hatterasguy
Yep thats why I try to help anyone in my area who wants one of these cars. Not to brag but I have looked at a few and saved a couple of people a lot of money!:cool: Notice my location in my sig, remember that if you want a car near me.

Boy, that guy who bought the car in my post above sure could have used your help. The wagon was in Milford, CT. which looks to only be 20 miles or so from you.

Hit Man X 07-19-2006 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkmoebius
Hi Hitman,

What is Westgreen?

I've already got serious reservations just because of the intentionally crappy picture with the auction. Why would anyone use a pic that makes it impossible to tell the condition of the paint job? Doesn't take a genius.

In all honesty, find it highly unlikely that I will ever buy a car off eBay "sight unseen" and without a compression test, etc. The risks are too high, especially with that has registration or mileage records for the first 10+ years of it's life.



Big street over in the Katy area.

Car looked clean from 20' but that doesn't mean a thing

Jeremy5848 07-19-2006 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hatterasguy
Look at the ash tray, it was a smokers car.

Or is that mud???

Hatterasguy 07-19-2006 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkmoebius
Boy, that guy who bought the car in my post above sure could have used your help. The wagon was in Milford, CT. which looks to only be 20 miles or so from you.


I am only a PM away.;)

Jeremy5848 07-19-2006 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dkveuro
PAMPERED !.......... Looks like the spare wheel was covered in rotor rust from very worn pads.....someone wasn't servicing it too well me thinks.

I think that the spare tire was lying in the mud when they found it and stuffed it the storage well. The tire treads are full of mud!

The radio looks like it was in the mud, too. Probably why the display is "8P5" instead of 88.5." Wonder which hurricane this one went through?

thetron 07-19-2006 08:35 PM

I just emailed him/her and asked why there was water in the headlights. We shall see what he or she says. Can't wait for the responce. I am gonna check copart to see if it sold there. They are a salvage auto auction. I will let you guys know. And who would pay 8K for this car?

Mistress 07-19-2006 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by winmutt
Funny about the net. I was thinking the spare tire well looked awefully dirty. Also I think it is still the original carpet, just died. Its to light to be brown and to dark to be palamino. Why no pics of the storage/3rd row seat?

The spare looked rusted on the inside, the door panels were all buckled, the hood didn't line up and those tires were too small. I don't know if the hood pad is suppose to look like its wet in certain areas? If its a flood car wouldn't it be reported to carfax?

thetron 07-19-2006 08:59 PM

Not always.

Scott98 07-19-2006 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by techguy512
No, the sellers car has three gauges with black pivot points, just like yours. The 'phony' center button is chrome, where the later style has no phony center button at all.

Maybe we are misunderstanding each other here. The guages in my '85 originally all had black center dots. When my oil gauge went bad I replaced it with an old style gauge that had a chrome dot. The gauges in my '85, after the replacement, looked exactly like the gauges he has in his car now. I was just wondering if he had a similar issue like me and that would explain the off-year gauge.

Scott

techguy512 07-19-2006 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott98
Maybe we are misunderstanding each other here.

I don't think we're misunderstanding. The only point is that for some reason (normal wear and tear, or perhaps hurricane damage), the pristiene '85TD has a gauge set from '82. If the seller is going to go to all the trouble to dress this pig, he should have made sure the clothes match.

redassag00 07-19-2006 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hit Man X
Big street over in the Katy area.

Car looked clean from 20' but that doesn't mean a thing


You were that close to my house and didnt call me?? :D

I didnt know you went to katy that much!!!

Hit Man X 07-20-2006 02:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redassag00
You were that close to my house and didnt call me?? :D

I didnt know you went to katy that much!!!



Well hopefully we can meet if you come to the Texas GTG :D


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:16 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2024 Pelican Parts, LLC - Posts may be archived for display on the Peach Parts or Pelican Parts Website