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blhfla 09-06-2006 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by bgkast (Post 1268570)
Are you the person that sells those on ebay?

No, but I can give you his info if you wish. I bought it for $150. My car is an 85 300D.

Only the later 240s (81 and up I think) have those seperators

The 300D intake system is ugly and big, plus the 180 degree bend doesn't help airflow. The larger straighter tubing in his kit is much less restrictive. The replacement separator was part of the kit. Removing that ugly stock intake made room for my dual stage vegoil filter.

85chedeng300D 09-06-2006 07:00 PM

i'd stick with the oem/stock air filter. the reason these mb engines lasted for 20+ years is because of the highly efficient stock/oem filters that it has been using for 20+ years. if mb installed a high flow air filters like k&n 20 years ago, i don't think that these mb diesels will still run today. those are racing filters were you drive your car on a race track where almost no dust and road particles and debris, and those race cars engines are beaing overhauled and rebuilt after each race and some of them can't even reach the finish line.

Craig 09-06-2006 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by 85chedeng300D (Post 1268688)
i'd stick with the oem/stock air filter. the reason these mb engines lasted for 20+ years is because of the highly efficient stock/oem filters that it has been using for 20+ years. if mb installed a high flow air filters like k&n 20 years ago, i don't think that these mb diesels will still run today. those are racing filters were you drive your car on a race track where almost no dust and road particles and debris, and those race cars engines are beaing overhauled and rebuilt after each race and some of them can't even reach the finish line.

I agree, but we were all young and foolish once. I hacked up my share of cars too. They'll get bored and move on to something else. ;)

85chedeng300D 09-06-2006 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Craig (Post 1268697)
I agree, but we were all young and foolish once. I hacked up my share of cars too. They'll get bored and move on to something else. ;)

yeah! i'll hack mine too if it was not my daily driver and i have one more of this. but unfortunately, i'm stuck with her. she's my one and only. i would hate her to leave me for something that i did.

bgkast 09-06-2006 11:22 PM

I'm not sure that replacing an air filter amounts to "hacking up a car". I guess I could have run the engine how I got it (no air filter at all), or better yet I could have just sent the car to the crusher when the 240D engine died, rather than putting in a used turbo engine. The engine transplant required much more "hacking" than the air filter. :rolleyes:

H-townbenzoboy 09-06-2006 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by blhfla (Post 1268583)
The 300D intake system is ugly and big, plus the 180 degree bend doesn't help airflow. The larger straighter tubing in his kit is much less restrictive. The replacement separator was part of the kit. Removing that ugly stock intake made room for my dual stage vegoil filter.

Ugly, it may be, but it is much superior to the system you have on there now. The bend may restrict airflow, but even with the stock setup, you're still taking in more than enough air than the engine needs due to the turbocharger.

Craig 09-07-2006 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by bgkast (Post 1268962)
I'm not sure that replacing an air filter amounts to "hacking up a car". I guess I could have run the engine how I got it (no air filter at all), or better yet I could have just sent the car to the crusher when the 240D engine died, rather than putting in a used turbo engine. The engine transplant required much more "hacking" than the air filter. :rolleyes:

Or you could have just rebuilt/replaced the correct engine for the car...

vstech 09-07-2006 10:56 AM

Take a look at most of the Ricers air filters
 
They usually have a heat shield surround on the filter to isolate cold air from the engine. so far, none of the filter pics show a heat shield surround.
to make this more efficeient than the stock, you would need to hack the radiator mount to allow forced cold air into the area.
I do like the seperate oil seperator, but Hacking up my front end seems excessive.
John

blhfla 09-07-2006 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by 85chedeng300D (Post 1268688)
i'd stick with the oem/stock air filter. the reason these mb engines lasted for 20+ years is because of the highly efficient stock/oem filters that it has been using for 20+ years. if mb installed a high flow air filters like k&n 20 years ago, i don't think that these mb diesels will still run today. those are racing filters were you drive your car on a race track where almost no dust and road particles and debris, and those race cars engines are beaing overhauled and rebuilt after each race and some of them can't even reach the finish line.

I have used K&N style performance air filters on all of my vehicles for over a decade now. I have not once had any problems. They flow better but they filter better too; they're just a better design. I know guys with over 300k miles on their Powerstrokes running [similar] performance systems and they see PLENTY of off road conditions - WAY, WAY more than my 300D ever will. But unfortunately as vstech pointed out, something should be done to get colder air directly to it. With that stock mess removed I had plenty of room to mount my veg oil filter system; no way I could have put it in there with that in the way.

Old300D 09-07-2006 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by blhfla (Post 1269276)
I have used K&N style performance air filters on all of my vehicles for over a decade now. I have not once had any problems. They flow better but they filter better too; they're just a better design. I know guys with over 300k miles on their Powerstrokes running [similar] performance systems and they see PLENTY of off road conditions - WAY, WAY more than my 300D ever will. But unfortunately as vstech pointed out, something should be done to get colder air directly to it. With that stock mess removed I had plenty of room to mount my veg oil filter system; no way I could have put it in there with that in the way.

That statement that they filter better is flat wrong. They do not. I've never had any problems with K&N, hell I use one on my 12 second 280Z, but I don't expect to put 200k miles on it either.

Craig 09-07-2006 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Old300D (Post 1269336)
That statement that they filter better is flat wrong. They do not. I've never had any problems with K&N, hell I use one on my 12 second 280Z, but I don't expect to put 200k miles on it either.

If they're doing this to make room for WVO junk, the lack of a decent air cleaner is the least of their problems, they're not going to see another 200K anyway.

MTUpower 09-07-2006 02:42 PM

Boy I'm surprised no old schoolers here have told you to do a search yet. This subject has been hashed and rehashed and put in scrambled eggs. The simple test is this- take a 0-60 test with the stock filter. Due the same test with the "ricer" filter, then do the same test with no filter at all. It's been done and the results? NO DIFFERENCE. Now due a search on K&N and you'll find multiple indie tests which show that oiled gauze filters are inferior at stopping dust. Try this testfor yourself- take a tiny amount of heavy grease and put it inside your stock housing with a K&N. Check it a few days later. Note the amount of debris. Now do the same with a paper filter. The paper filter will have less debris. I think the people that know this are tired of explaining things that have been told and retold. But do what you want... it takes all kinds to power the planet.:)

bgkast 09-07-2006 05:30 PM

Oh man, I was hoping to beat some of the 11 second Finnish cars with my new filter. :( :D

Diesel Giant 09-07-2006 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by 85chedeng300D (Post 1268688)
i'd stick with the oem/stock air filter. the reason these mb engines lasted for 20+ years is because of the highly efficient stock/oem filters that it has been using for 20+ years. if mb installed a high flow air filters like k&n 20 years ago, i don't think that these mb diesels will still run today. those are racing filters were you drive your car on a race track where almost no dust and road particles and debris, and those race cars engines are beaing overhauled and rebuilt after each race and some of them can't even reach the finish line.


Yes that is the truth! Filtration is key to longevity in these engines. Bypass oil filters, double fuel filters, very effective air filters. If you want more performance then I would look to another car, the MB were designed for fuel mileage, safety and reliability, not speed.

mybenz123 09-07-2006 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Diesel Giant (Post 1269564)
Yes that is the truth! Filtration is key to longevity in these engines. Bypass oil filters, double fuel filters, very effective air filters. If you want more performance then I would look to another car, the MB were designed for fuel mileage, safety and reliability, not speed.


I guess someone forgot to inform the Fins of this.:D :rolleyes:

Louis.


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