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siral3x 01-17-2008 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by lupin..the..3rd (Post 1731401)
Modern diesels use direct injection. A 240d uses indirect injection. Totally different cylinder head design. No pre-chamber with a DI engine.

It would be much easier and a lot cheaper to just swap an entire 220 CDI motor in. 45 mpg's and 170 hp from a 220 CDI motor, BTW. ;)

Yep...it's probably easier to weld motor mounts for a 220CDI EURO spec motor and tranny then to mess around with a 240D!

Tymbrymi 01-17-2008 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by t walgamuth (Post 1734945)
But it still seems to me a lot could be done with just a modern injection system installed on our ancient 616 or 617 engines, without changing the heads and pistons.

The problem is that all the modern injectors, etc are all DI. So about the only way to get a common rail type system on our old benzes is to find some kind of valve that will open/close the fuel rail pressure to our stock nozzles. Those don't exist that I know of because all the modern injectors are injector and valve combos (and we can't use those nozzles since they are DI). If you could find some kind of electrical actuator that can operate at 150bar with the precise timing of microseconds then the project is doable... until then the parts just aren't there to do it. :(

t walgamuth 01-17-2008 01:35 PM

I am pretty sure anything using the old mecanical injectors would not be fast enough to respond to the very fast electical signals used by the new systems.

Tom W

Skippy 01-17-2008 01:43 PM

True. The modern piezo injectors are able to do five (last I heard, probably up to 6 or 7 by now) injection events per combustion cycle. Ours do one. Another thing is that the injection pressure in our systems is an order of magnitude lower than what the modern systems are doing. The higher injection pressure and resulting better atomization are some of the main reasons for the increased combustion efficiency and reduced smoke of the modern systems.

On edit: This discussion is making me want to get another engineering job.

jshadows 01-17-2008 01:57 PM

while less "fun" this thread got me thinking when I walked past a few 180 and 200 CDI's (A and B class)

CDI motors do show up on ebay over here and not too expensive..didn't even bother reading to see if they actually run..the smaller ones a probably more likely to fit..though that may be an incorrect assumption.

this one

says if you need other parts (e.g. the computer stuff) that you just have to ask.


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