IP Full Load Adjustment 617 Turbo
 

I need a pictorial or guide on adjusting an injection pump for full load. I have the oil filter off and the engine sitting on the ground. ive heard its easier to do it now. This car will be tuned for performance soon after it is in the car running. Its an 84 617. Forced linked me to Schuman forum where they have this stuff but I needed an account to access the images. I made an account, my email address was already in use (even though it wasn't because its djeglinski@gmail.com). So i tried my alt email account. Worked. I had the email correct, Ive gone back and checked it . I never received the confirmation email. Now that I think of it, I may have tried to register there a long time ago (when i got my first car) and hence the used email. I remember signing up somewhere and never getting the email. I looked for the load adjustment here, and only found one thread of use, but his link was 404.


Can anyone please dl this posters picture and host it on imageshack or something for me?
http://www.schumanautomotive.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1205
Why is it so hard to sign up at Schuman. Its ridiculous.

Why would you ask us that here????? That is a question for the folks over there......

Send the Schuman Forum a message here.

it was more of a statement

We can't post it on here. Because it has "copyright" in the picture some people here had kind of a hissy about it.

They recently changed servers and are having issues with the new hosts.

Forced, someone has done the deed already. Looking at the image I see what is adjusted, but in the thread title it says "Procedure" but it has no procedure, just a diagram. So heres my quick question for you lance. What way do i turn it to increase the fuel? How many turns do I turn it (lets say at this point im just going to add an air/water inter cooler, so I wont need a crap load more fuel)

617 = CW for more fuel
603 = CCW for more fuel

Three concentric nuts on the 617, loosen the middle and turn the inner most to the pump body. 1/4-1/2 turn is a good start.

Its not a valid copyright and can be safely ignored.... Brandons wrath however .......


Turbo benz: why not do the rack limiter removal. No copyright on those pics :)

:confused: You do not have to register a copyright for you to have one.

No but you do have to have a date and a (c) or © to work right.

no stealing

Apparently this got me banned at schumans. For pointing out the fact that it is NOT properly copyrighted. How lame. I am probably going to have to call Henry to get this fixed.


LAAAaaaaaAAAAAaaaaAAAAAAAmeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

That doesn't help me with my ban. It's irritating at best.

How pathetic of him. Henry should be ashamed of himself for not understanding copyright laws.

........it's not so bad. I've been banned much longer than you have........and I've survived just fine..........:D

When I get home I'll write some stuff up, I'm sure you guys will like it. :)

Maybe I'll get some work done. Nah.

winmutt, does this mean you have to turn in your OBK number? :eek: JK JJ

Wait, what? You got banned for what? For my post? Crap. Whats up with those people. What I dont get is why the hell would you play copyright an image of an injection pump. If you ask me, throwing a sissy fit over it is childish. So what, you ms painted some red lines onto a picture of an IP. Ill ban you if you show other people because our forum won't allow people to join our little club due to server issues. Well I honestly don't get the big deal. When i opened the image (a generous, logical shoeman (afraid ill get the this forum in a lawsuit for saying, you know) member was kind enough to get the image for me) the first thing I thought was "copyrighted? Who the hell copyrights this???".


Hmmm. Maybe I should go copyright every image Ive ever posted here so If Im ever super duper moderator I can ban people for showing my image to someone else!

IP Full Load Adjustment Procedure for the 617 Turbo equipped with the MW-type IP
 

For more details visit IP Full Load Adjustment Procedure for the MW and M pumps

Disclaimer!
All information presented herein is purely for informational purposes only, I assume no liability for your or anyone else's actions. All procedures and adjustments in this guide are to be performed AT YOUR OWN RISK. The pump can only be properly calibrated by a Diesel injection specialist on an injection pump test bench, this is not intended as a DIY at home pump calibration guide. Getting your engine into good running condition and installing an exhaust temperature gauge (pyrometer) is STRONGLY recommended before you contemplate touching any injection pump internals. If you believe any of the following information to be incorrect please contact me through the forum PM system or at LNewcomb99@cox.net and it will be corrected asap.

No idle compensation is required unless noted.

External Idle Screw- Controls the fine idle speed.
*Set the engine between 700-800rpm.

ALDA- Limits fuel at low boost pressure to control black smoke.
*Loosen the 10mm locknut and adjust the screw CCW in 1/4 turn increments to increase low boost fuel until you see black smoke when the accelerator is floored from a standstill. This adjustment will NOT increase your maximum horsepower.

Throttle stop- Prevents the external linkage from forcing the internal linkage past set point.
*Do not touch but make sure your external linkage is contacting the stop at WOT.
**This adjustment will NOT increase your maximum power and can possibly cause internal linkage binding.

High Idle- Limits maximum engine RPM.
*This can effect the governing of idle RPM and idle quality.
**This should only be adjusted if your engine is in top-notch condition.
***Increasing maximum RPM comes with a serious risk of throwing a connecting rod and/or floating the valves resulting in catastrophic engine damage.

Full Load- Sets the maximum rack travel while the engine is running.
*19mm and 9mm locknuts must be loosened and the 13mm nut turned CW to increase maximum fuel quantity.
**The rack limiter lever can be completely removed from the pump for maximum power. See the removal guide HERE.

Idle Regulation Bumper Spring- Adds idle unloading spring force against the flyweights.
*Should not be adjusted.

Coarse Idle RPM Screw- Sets the idle speed in combination with the outer fine adjustment.
*Should not be adjusted except in conjunction with torque control capsule adjustment.

Start Quantity Cutout- Allows full fuel for start but not run.
*Also affects other internal functions. Do not touch.

Torque Control Capsule- Reduces rack travel with increased RPM.
*Reduces smoke at higher RPMs due to the engines lower volumetric efficiency at higher RPMs. Loosen 21mm lock ring and turn 14mm capsule CW to increase. Back out the coarse idle RPM screw by the same amount as you turned the capsule.
**A pyrometer is an absolute must if you are going to adjust this. Take it easy and only go 1/4 turn each time.
***Caution: Adjusting the capsule too much can result in the engine becoming slow to return to idle or not returning to idle at all.

http://members.cox.net/lnewcomb99/Pi...W-GovGuide.jpg

What Is Not Protected by Copyright?
Several categories of material are generally not eligible for federal copyright protection. These include among others: Ideas, procedures, methods, systems, processes, concepts, principles, discoveries, or devices, as distinguished from a description, explanation, or illustration.

http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/thread-189.html

Thanks for posting that over here Lance. We appreciate it.

come on now


OBK numbers cannot be revoked until death.... plus he bought a badge= lifetime membership

Thanks lance, Ill wait until I have the car running to do this. It sounds like I should not touch this without a way of knowing my egt's. I should have the car running good here in about a week or so, then the fun begins.

How was it said before?

Oh, yeah, thats how.

He can keep his forum. I was getting really sick of the server errors and constant drama. MercedesShop has always been my first home anyways, even if BC and I aren't exactly the best of buds. Life was fine before, it will be fine after.

I can still view the forum, I'll be keeping tabs on them. He can't get rid of me that easily. ;)

Have no misunderstanding of my regard for your knowledge and experience with these vehicles. You've helped countless individuals solve their issues here and I'm very pleased that you're a member.

We get into disagreement regarding WVO issues and your adamant stance against any and all WVO. But, I consider this a minor issue in the grand scheme of things.

Good to know. :)

Why cant we all just get along?

http://ivogretener.net/media/paintin...ite/rodney.jpg
Henry wants to be childish that is fine, I was just trying to help the man out. Mersuforum.net == new Super Turbo forums?

Sure, if you can get logged into the dang place. :rolleyes:

what is the pic supposed to be? the mersuforum icon?

I'll echo:


LAME! :rolleyes:

Well I guess I have been banned too


They are going to be lonely over there since they are banning all of their regular members!

Woooow - What the heck is happening?!?!:confused:

Henry and Lester (BHD) can have the forum to themnselves, there are many other MB forums on the net. If they are going to get all pissy about such petty things then I don't want to be associated with them.

Looks like I'll be trying other methods to get back in there....

Why bother, this forum has more traffic and members anyway. Maybe we should start a Super Turbo Yahoo group or something, that was the best aspect of "the other place".

I think the Mersuforum would be better. The OBK forum is/was good but its painfully slow loading.

I'll see about slapping together a Mersuforum register/login Finnish-English translation sheet tonight.

Wow, so forced and bgkask both got banned? LOL what did I do :eek:



Oh well.

Its just hard to believe my innocent little post caused this

Me, winmutt and bgkask. Likely not the last if Henry continues his tantrum.

IP Full Load Limiter Removal Procedure for the MW-type pump
 

An exhaust temperature gauge (pyrometer) is necessary for reliable long-term operation of the engine after this modification. Do not exceed 1250°F in continuous operation or 1400°F in short bursts (under 5 seconds). Do not use any kind of sealer on any of the gaskets.

1: Remove the oil-filter housing.
2: Remove the pump back plate including shut off actuator and rack damper.
3: Disconnect the vacuum device linkage and tubes. Remove the top lid screws, turn the top lid (or remove both the ALDA and top plate for best access).
4: Remove the limiter's screws and nuts.
http://members.cox.net/lnewcomb99/Pi...imiternuts.jpg
5: Push the limiter from the adjusting screw into the inside of the pump.
6: The hardest part is "digging" the limiter out of the bottom of the pump. A pen magnet is strongly suggested for this step. It can only exit through the thin slot on the top of the pump. You have two options- You can turn (rotate) the parts around inside the pump or you can punch out the guide pin the limiter used to slide on. The pin is no longer needed.

7: Once the limiter is out replace everything back in reverse order minus the limiter. Remember to use a new oil filter housing gasket and get the filter housing and block mating surfaces surgically clean. Be careful not to drop any gasket leftovers into an oil channel. If you get an oscillating idle this is a good place to replace the Rack Damper bolt with upgrade unit (upgraded one is gold anodized, the old silver in color) in the back plate of IP.

When you are done, you should have 5 or 6 parts left over (depending on the removal method you chose). DO NOT DISCARD THESE PARTS in case you decide to revert the operation at a later date.
http://members.cox.net/lnewcomb99/Pi...rtsremoved.jpg

Before:
http://members.cox.net/lnewcomb99/Pics/IPlimiterin.jpg

After:
http://members.cox.net/lnewcomb99/Pics/IPlimiterout.jpg

Most of the increased fuel feed can be noticed between 2000 and 4000 rpm's, after that the high idle (maximum RPM) setting automatically starts to reduce fuel. Boost pressures above 15psi should not be needed although YMMV as to the exact boost PSI needed.

Bryan was banned too.. wtf mate

the 'other' side
 

the good stuff I & my son have been studying over there was in the SuperTurbo forum and posted by FI anyway.
Will this get me banned?

Or do I have to say something like they are cutting off their noses to spite their faces. (nyuk nyuk, had to explain what that means to my son... )

( Hey, I could try to explain it to Henry too....)

So, Henry the deal is......... you are hurting yourself far more than those who are the objects of your anger/fear.

Breathe deep, relax, no one is out to get you, we can all share and be friendly, like they try to teach us in kindergarten.

Forced, arnt there 2 resistors left over when you take out the limiter?

There are no resistors to remove.

You can be assured that Henry is not involved with this..........

thanx B.C.
 

...for setting me straight. I don't know any of these folks, but from here it seems that someone ... over there...as well as cutting off their nose to spite their face, is making Henry look bad as well . So silly. So very ... small.

Anyway.....way off topic now. Sorry I stuck my $.02 in, But I just wanted to show some support to a few guys who have really helped provide a lot of us with very hard to get information. Guys who are not .... small.

That sure seems like an adult and professional way to go about running a forum. :rolleyes:

1. Create Mercedes forum
2. Ban most active members
3. ????
4. Profit

Especially about information easily available outside their forum (Bosch manuals) a picture that is not theirs to copyright (My pump pictures). :rolleyes:

There is a reason I added
to my post. He should research the copyright rules a bit more before he gets ban-stick happy next time.
http://www.destructoid.com/wp-conten...1/banstick.jpg

ban stick... heh

Careful, remarks like that might get you banned! You certainly don't want to mention the lameness.

Speaking of, Henry we know you are watching this. Why don't you throw in your two bits as to why exactly this has got you in such a tizzy. You must realize that some things weren't going to stay exclusive forever. This is the Information Age.

The funny thing is that I called them on posting some pictures GSXR took, removing his text, adding theirs, and adding their copyright to it. Henry deleted the post and explained in a PM that since it was of common parts anyone could easily research, etc it was not a problem. I wouldn't have cared, but they decided to claim it for themselves. :(

*Awaits impending ban*