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Old 11-02-2008, 10:23 AM
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NEUTRAL safety switch

Can some one post a good picture of it, in it's location?

For the coupe.

Is there anyway easy way to bypass it for test purpose's?

I am pretty sure that is the problem, but want to verify before
replacing. Thanks

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Old 11-02-2008, 12:07 PM
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I think this topic would answer your questions
Neutral Safety Switch R+R!

You can bypass the switch by shorting some pins on the connector, if I'm correct short the topmost with the one on bottom, and then the middle ones with each other, but check your wiring schematics to be sure about this.
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Old 11-02-2008, 12:09 PM
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Black plastic thing with round electrical connector.

A number of things can go wrong with the NSS. One is the shift rod linkage bushings are worn so setting the lever in P or N doesn't set the NSS in the exact position to allow electricity to the starter. A simple test is to try the starter while moving the shift lever slightly forward and aft of the N position. Don't move it all the way into R or D, keep your foot firmly on the brake pedal and make sure nothing dear is ahead of or behind the car! If you find a sweet spot, you probably need new shift rod bushings. Another is adjustment of the NSS. 2 bolts that take a 10mm wrench hold the NSS to the transmission. One hole is slotted so you twist the NSS. An easy way is to set the transmission in R with the key on run (engine off) and twist the NSS while someone tells you when the reverse lights illuminate. Center the NSS as best you can based on when the lights come on and go off. It's more precise to do this with the transmission in P and a continuity meter but I don't know which pins to test. It's pretty easy to remove the NSS for bench testing.

[edit] Photo courtesy of DaveM/gsxr

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Old 11-02-2008, 12:51 PM
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Black plastic thing with round electrical connector.

A number of things can go wrong with the NSS. One is the shift rod linkage bushings are worn so setting the lever in P or N doesn't set the NSS in the exact position to allow electricity to the starter. A simple test is to try the starter while moving the shift lever slightly forward and aft of the N position. Don't move it all the way into R or D, keep your foot firmly on the brake pedal and make sure nothing dear is ahead of or behind the car! If you find a sweet spot, you probably need new shift rod bushings. Another is adjustment of the NSS. 2 bolts that take a 10mm wrench hold the NSS to the transmission. One hole is slotted so you twist the NSS. An easy way is to set the transmission in R with the key on run (engine off) and twist the NSS while someone tells you when the reverse lights illuminate. Center the NSS as best you can based on when the lights come on and go off. It's more precise to do this with the transmission in P and a continuity meter but I don't know which pins to test. It's pretty easy to remove the NSS for bench testing.

[edit] Photo courtesy of DaveM/gsxr

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Thanks, That is what I was looking for. I thought that was the part
but wasn't sure.
I have tried the shifter tricks, but cannot get it to spin anywhere. Shifter bushing are in great shape.
I also have brake lights at this time, so that leads me to believe it is
not an adjustment problem and that since the lights do work, there is power to the NSS.
Is this a wrong assumption?
As soon as my beautiful assistant gets home, I will check for power to the "S" terminal on the starter.
This was not an ongoing problem either, just one day wouldn't start with the key.
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Old 11-02-2008, 12:57 PM
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I think this topic would answer your questions
Neutral Safety Switch R+R!

You can bypass the switch by shorting some pins on the connector, if I'm correct short the topmost with the one on bottom, and then the middle ones with each other, but check your wiring schematics to be sure about this.
That is a very nice write up, but the switch appears to be a different configuration......will the same procedures still apply?
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Old 11-02-2008, 01:02 PM
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I should add - I went through this earlier this year then installed a good used NSS

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why used????????
Are they expensive or did you happen to have one already?
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Old 11-02-2008, 02:16 PM
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Oops, it was a new one.

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Sorry to hijack the thread but what is involved in replacing the rod linkage bushings?
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Old 11-02-2008, 03:49 PM
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Sorry to hijack the thread but what is involved in replacing the rod linkage bushings?

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Old 11-02-2008, 03:55 PM
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There are fancy circlips that hold the shift rod at either end. Lift the flap of the circlip that catches the tip of the rod and slide the circlip back then off the rod. Remove the rod from the shift lever at one end and the gear selector crank on the transmission. Remove old bushing remnants In many cases it will look like there never was a bushing. Smear non-petroleum lubricant on the bushings. I use Silglyde(sp?). Some folks put the bushings in a heat bath so they're more pliant. I use big locking pliers and a couple of appropriately sized sockets to press bushings onto the shift lever and gear selector crank. It's easy to remove the gear selector crank and work on it away from the car since it's tight quarters in there. There a bolt that takes an 8mm(?) wrench holding the selector crank to the transmission. IIRC the crank has a tab that engages the NSS so make sure that goes back in place.

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Old 11-02-2008, 04:25 PM
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hey Jack, if you can remove the carpet on the driver side of the tunnel, the harness from the neutral safety/reverse light switch terminates at about knee high on the tunnel. you should be able to put a meter on the terminals and determine which is neautral and which is reverse then jump them on the harness side to try to start

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