Here's your opportunity to go grease: - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

edge · #1 07-18-2009, 01:34 AM

http://newhaven.craigslist.org/cto/1254992527.html

oldsinner111 · #2 07-18-2009, 09:09 AM

Sounds good.In this economy,I like being able to run free fuels.

charmalu · #3 07-18-2009, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by oldsinner111

Sounds good.In this economy,I like being able to run free fuels.

This is one of the reasons why the Government is kicking around the idea of taxing us for the miles driven on the road. some kind of GPS system

Guess the guy got tired of the hastle picking up that crap and the mess.

Charlie

Biodiesel300TD · #4 07-18-2009, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by charmalu

This is one of the reasons why the Government is kicking around the idea of taxing us for the miles driven on the road. some kind of GPS system

Guess the guy got tired of the hastle picking up that crap and the mess.

Charlie

It will never happen with the old cars.

My arguement is; a Prius gets 45-50mpg for the gas they pay for. I get about 70mpg on the diesel I pay for. Why should I have to get taxed for all that other fuel I'm using if the Prius owner doesn't?

Oracle12345 · #5 07-18-2009, 10:39 AM

think ill pass on the car

marybeth · #6 07-18-2009, 12:25 PM

Florida requires that any vehcile running on "Alternate fuel" pay a fee and purchase a sticker.

This is to "pay tax on Fuel you are not using"-as explained by a Dept Of Revenue Official. (average car is $198)

I guess it is for road repair-however hybrids are not required to purchase this sticker & fee

pawoSD · #7 07-18-2009, 12:32 PM

He gives no reason why he's dumping the whole thing.....sounds fishy to me. Poor car, yet another ruined by grease probably.

How would the "officials" ever know you're not visiting the pump? Why would anyone buy the sticker? Sounds dumb.

Matt L · #8 07-18-2009, 12:33 PM

Normal hybrids get all of their power from gasoline. But a plug-in hybrid does not. Are these also exempt?

charmalu · #9 07-18-2009, 02:45 PM

I was reading an article that the obama group, Congress etc... have been tossing around the idea of a road tax of the actual miles driven.

It has always been ( since I can remember) that we paid a road tax for each gallon we buy. state sales tax, state road tax and federal road tax.

Since the economy has gone into the tank, and people are not working as much or at all, there isn`t the spending as before. therefore there is less tax revenue generated to fill the Government piggy bank at all levels of government. and since those in charge do not know how not to spend less than they take in, why not devise some new tax revenue plan.

obama said he was not for it on the federal level, but there some states that think this is a good idea. do you think if this is inacted, that the tax at the pump will be deleted? not on your life. just one more tax level.

I have no idea why a hybrid would be exempt from paying. you use the road, then we all should pay for the maintenance of our highways as we use them.

I think it is great to pick up WVO and use as is, or make biodiesel from it. there is some expence to it even getting it for free. would I like my fuel for free? sure.
If it is ok to do this, then why shouldn`t I be able to use off road diesel in the same way? fine until I get cought, then a BIG $ fine to pay.
so far there doesn`t seem to be any real fines for using WVO or other home made fuels.

Charlie

marybeth · #10 07-18-2009, 04:44 PM

pawoSD-actually paying for a tax when there is no need does sound pretty "dumb"

However if you pay the fee get the sticker -Florida lets you apply for a HOV decal & another decal that allows you drive in the "LEXUS Lanes" for free. In south florida traffic -it is worth it.

(For those who do not know what a "LEXUS lane" is. It is the goverment taking one/two lanes of the highway that you already pay for and charging you an additional $2-$6 to drive on these "special" lanes. High Occupancy Toll or HOT in goverment speak)

turbobenz · #11 07-18-2009, 05:30 PM

Id imagine that a prius puts significantly less stress on a road than other jap boxes. its probably really light and the tires are about half the width of mine.

If they do enact this new level of tax I may just give up and ride my road bike everywhere.

a2t · #12 07-18-2009, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by pawoSD

He gives no reason why he's dumping the whole thing.....sounds fishy to me. Poor car, yet another ruined by grease probably.

How would the "officials" ever know you're not visiting the pump? Why would anyone buy the sticker? Sounds dumb.

Thats a pretty uninformed statement. If the conversion was done well (he does say 2 tank which is question #1 to ask), it would be a hell of a good deal, at the least its worth looking at the car to get more info. A 617 is probably the best candidate on earth to PROPERLY convert to WVO.

I for 1 am enjoying the $4,500 Ive saved on D2 over the last 50k miles.

And would you expect anything other than a "dumb" solution from the gov'ment? WVO converted cars should enjoy MORE tax benefits than hybrids. Being that they use existing vehicles as opposed to new raw materials, run on waste product that is often illegally dumped into the sewers, and also dont require disposal of toxic batteries (which were charged every day of their useful life by dirty coal burning plants). All of that doesnt make lobbyists in Washington rich, though.

pawoSD · #13 07-18-2009, 11:32 PM

Thing is, it only applies to people in certain areas of the country with certain weather and driving conditions. The "proper" WVO setup requires nice hot oil, something that will not happen in MI in the winter unless you are driving well over 25-30 miles on the freeway each way every day. Its cold up here, most of the year using WVO would be a useless venture. Maybe 4-5 months a year on the days you drive longer distance. Down south its always warm, so the oil heats up much faster. Sometimes in the winter here I'll drive for over 20 minutes in the city and barely reach 80C. (when its below 10F out) Using the cabin heat on high can make 80C a dream....so the oil would never get warmed up enough to use it.

WVO works for some people in some places.....but for most its not really an ideal system. A 10 mile both ways local commute would barely get the oil to the right temp for use.

I do agree that the government is real dumb how they tax and enforce rules on alternative fuel stuff, they are too pro-hybrid. Its just the usual from the government though.

pawoSD · #14 07-18-2009, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by turbobenz

Id imagine that a prius puts significantly less stress on a road than other jap boxes. its probably really light and the tires are about half the width of mine.

If they do enact this new level of tax I may just give up and ride my road bike everywhere.

They are actually pretty heavy....their dry curb weight is 2,900 lbs!....add fuel and a few people/some stuff....and its easy to hit 2 tons. So they're not that much lighter than a W123/W124

marybeth · #15 07-18-2009, 11:55 PM

pawoSD-Going to need to disagree with you about running WVO in colder climates (aka Michigan).

I was using for WVO for several years in Michigan (it was a VW golf), and there is a small group of "greasers" I hung out with both in the Detroit area (north of Cananda mind you!) and in the Upper Penn.

Key is "Properly" converted two tank system. Come a cold mid Feb morning in Michigan you find rather quickly if your WVO conversion is "proper" or not. (you also find out who your REAL friends are). More diffcult was the collection of WVO in the winter -this does have its challagnes

True my South Florida location is much more forgiveing for WVOers, but Greasecar & Frybrid have kits and cars from Alaska to Manitoba and Plantdrive is based in Cananda (not known for its warm sunny winters)