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DeliveryValve 05-06-2010 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by tangofox007 (Post 2462105)
Unfortunately, it's not that simple. A properly operating thermostat does not just pop open at the specified temp. It should open gradually as the temp rises above the "spec" temperature. According to the 617.95 engine manual, the thermostat should start opening at 80 degrees and not fully actuate until reaching 94 degrees. Failure to understand that concept would make it likely that a perfectly performing thermostat would be misdiagnosed as faulty.

Additionally, the fact that the bypass is not fully closed below 94 degrees would seem to suggest that 80 degrees is not the target operating temp for the 617 engine.

You are correct. I failed to explain further. Thanks in adding that information.



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DeliveryValve 05-06-2010 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by charmalu (Post 2462316)
Tango, what do you mean the turbo engines don`t need to be burped? first I heard they are self burping. this is the first I have read this.
All I have read on the forum is these engines need to be burped.

Is the U-shaped little pipe on the front of the engine the burper?

when I first bought the 85 300D, it didn`t have the U-pipe, and other 85`s I saw at PNP didn`t have them either, yet I saw it on older engines. couldn`t tell you now if it was on NA or turbo engines I saw them.
I have one now on the 85.

Charlie

Charlie, what is this U-shaped pipe you speak of? Got a pic?



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tangofox007 05-06-2010 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by charmalu (Post 2462316)
Tango, what do you mean the turbo engines don`t need to be burped?

It would appear that you have your wires crossed about who said what.

But even though I didn't say that, I do agree with the gentleman who did. The 617.95 engine has a built-in vent in the thermostat housing which is intended to automatically purge air from the cooling system. In my experience, it seems to work as intended. However, given the relatively small size of the passage, it would be easy to envision a poorly maintained cooling system in which the passage was obstructed and incapable of functioning as designed.

Have you ever wondered about that small hole on one side of the thermostat gasket?

charmalu 05-08-2010 02:03 PM

Tango you are right. I was refering to post #13, VSTECH. my appoloizes. :o

I don`t remember a little hole in the thermostat, but been a while since I have one in front of me to look at.
I know Diesel Giant shows drilling a little hole in one for a cooling problem,
but something I wouldn`t do, better to just fix the problem.

DeliveryValve, the little U tube I was refering to, is the one in the front of the head, that connects to the watter pump housing.
I was with JT20 up here in Portland, Or yesterday. looking at his 85 300TD, it also doesn`t have this tube.
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p...t/SSPX0407.jpg

Here is picture of what I was talking about. Thanks to SIRNIK84 in his currently running thread.

Charlie

tangofox007 05-08-2010 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by charmalu (Post 2463410)

I don`t remember a little hole in the thermostat...

I didn't say the hole was in the thermostat. It's in the thermostat gasket.

http://catalog.peachparts.com/ShopByVehicle.epc?q=1982-Mercedes--Benz-300d-Cooling--System&yearid=1982%40%401982&makeid=63%40%40MERCEDES+BENZ%40%40X&modelid=6190%3AMBC%7C1504%3AED%7C10 000135%40%40300D&catid=240909%40%40Cooling+System&subcatid=240977@@Thermostat&mode=PA

charmalu 05-08-2010 02:46 PM


Ok, now Iam up to speed with you.

Charlie

DeliveryValve 05-08-2010 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by charmalu (Post 2463410)
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DeliveryValve, the little U tube I was refering to, is the one in the front of the head, that connects to the watter pump housing.
I was with JT20 up here in Portland, Or yesterday. looking at his 85 300TD, it also doesn`t have this tube....

Ah, I didn't realize not all 617.95x motors had this part. Interesting info.




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DeliveryValve 05-08-2010 02:51 PM

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Per FSM.
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Venting of thermostat housing


The thermostat housing is suspended and has an inte grated, independent venting system. The air will flow to radiator and expansion tank through a bore which bypasses the coolant thermostat.


a From radiator b To radiator


This venting method has the following advantages:
a) When filling-in the coolant, the coolant circuit will be automatically vented.
b) Better continuous venting of coolant circuit when engine is operating.


http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/...1&d=1273341023

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charmalu 05-09-2010 02:25 AM

I have seen that little vent tube before when the hose was off. I wonder if all 617 engines had this, or was started some where in mid production?

Then why does every one say to burp the system? I usually fill the upper hose until I see the coolant come out the radiator, then slip on the hose.

Now I need to check the 240 to see what it has.

Charlie

LNGfish 05-09-2010 09:21 AM

Chamalu,

I replaced the U shaped tubing on top of the water pump and my understanding it that it is a Pump Vent to make sure the Pump is flooded. My U Tube was dripping. Phil had the tube.

This means it burps the Pump (Primes)but not the block passages. I never heard of "burping the block".

My 1989 325 BMW 325i has a needle valve Burping location on the thermostat housing.

I don't believe these MB have this but if they do it may be on the T Housing.

I'll have to look at mine.

Steve

LNGfish 05-09-2010 09:24 AM

Great Sketch. That shows it all. TY

LNGfish 05-09-2010 09:30 AM

BTW,

These U-tubes usually starting dripping in the back where U really can't see where it is cracked or corroded. FYI the tube is made out of steel not a yellow metal as I had thought. My Tube was just worn out from the inside from water flowing through it. I'd call it Erosion Wear. Now I don't use any cooling water at all. Before I had to add some once in a blue moon.

jt20 05-09-2010 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by charmalu (Post 2463652)
I have seen that little vent tube before when the hose was off. I wonder if all 617 engines had this, or was started some where in mid production?

I agree.

from what i have seen, only the '85 / late '84 does not have it.

I had an '81 240d that did have it.

charmalu 05-09-2010 01:07 PM

My 80 240 has the metal U-tube. I put one on the 85 a few years ago thinking maybe some one removed it. can`t hurt I guess.
I have a spare 84 engine, I`ll have the check it when I get back home.

Maybe they ran out of them ;).

Charlie


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