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1977busman 08-01-2010 11:20 PM

Is there such thing as a cheap mercedes diesel??
 
Well now that my 92 300d needs rebuilt injectors, it will be out of commision for a while, which means i will be driving the 6.0 liter chevy truck that gets 12mpg. Now since i am only 16, and dont have a job yet this is going to kill my mercedes repair funding. So I am considering buying a "cheap" piece of transportation until then, and sell once I trust my car again. But of course it has to be a diesel car. My question is that what are the chances that buying lets say a $500 running and driving mercedes that i will not have to dump a bunch of money into it just to get it to get me from point a to point b. Here are a few options i have found:
http://dayton.craigslist.org/cto/1872875826.html
http://cincinnati.craigslist.org/cto/1875466827.html
Let me know what you think, or if i should just suck it up and drive the gas guzzler...
thanks
zach

tbomachines 08-01-2010 11:25 PM

Just wondering, why does your 300D NEED injectors? I know clogged injectors can cause nailing (and extreme-long term damage) but haven't heard too many that are undrivable under this condition.

tbomachines 08-01-2010 11:27 PM

Also, why not spend the $500 on the injectors?? You're much better off repairing the car you already have.

1977busman 08-01-2010 11:28 PM

once the extremely leaky delievery valves were replaced, all 5 injectors started leaking fuel very badly, from every point possible. I know i can reseal the, and what not, but the car has 200,xxx miles and im pretty confident in saying they are original, and could use an overhaul

1977busman 08-01-2010 11:30 PM

except that a project like that will take me a while, and my only other option to drive is the truck. And being freshly liscensed, like any other teen I would like to be able to go places...

mac2 08-01-2010 11:32 PM

Short answer: No

Long Answer: I bought my first Mercedes at 16 for $450 and drove it until I got to college. If you're handy with a wrench and, more critically, there are several wrecking yards with Benz diesels in them, you can make a $500 car drive for a long time. It will however nickel and dime you for as long as you own it and that's not factoring in the time you will spend underneath it fixing the various maladies.

Luckily most of the problems aren't terminal besides rust and keeping it at a tune where it goes from point A to B isn't too terribly hard. Looking at the two CL ads you have there, the 82 could potentially be a very good deal if it isn't too rusty. The 80 had a veggie conversion which could be a red flag depending how it was done.

1977busman 08-01-2010 11:40 PM

well im looking into both right now and getting more info on both and i will definetely look at the veg conversion and see how it was done. My fear right now is that I know that it will take a least a month to complete this injector project, and it cost about $50 to fill the truck up(tiny tank) and i can only go about 250miles or so, and thats being nice and driving light footed...

lonewolftek 08-01-2010 11:49 PM

No, there is no such thing as a 'cheap' MB diesel. You will spend money in either purchase price or repairs, and you will spend time in doing things yourself.

Of course many here will find the money and/or time well spent.

sixto 08-01-2010 11:55 PM

You can get a set of injectors at your doorstep in a couple of days and have them installed in a couple of hours. Not cheap but cheaper than buying, registering and insuring another car. I'd wager quicker too.

Sixto
87 300D

ashedd 08-02-2010 12:00 AM

There is a '80 SD in the forsale section for like 475. It's in Indiana too.. so not too far from you.

otto huber 08-02-2010 12:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sixto (Post 2516768)
You can get a set of injectors at your doorstep in a couple of days and have them installed in a couple of hours. Not cheap but cheaper than buying, registering and insuring another car. I'd wager quicker too.

Sixto
87 300D

Ditto that.

I've pulled injectors out of a yard for $16.00 a piece that worked quite well.
It looks to me like you're already getting the MB bug and looking for an excuse to buy another one.

weird beard 08-02-2010 12:08 AM

I picked up my '86 190d 2.5 NA for $550. Including the car, taxes, plates (temp and perminent) safety and repairs, I am it about $700. It was at a side of the road dealer, no car over $1500. Found it on Kijiji for $1000. I got him initially down to $600 by email, so I went to look at it. Offered him $500, we agreed on $550. Drove it home on a 10 day temp plate, worked on it for a week straight, a couple of hours a day. New exhaust was in the trunk when I bought it. Patched the floors with some free tin I found. Changed 2 tie rod ends. Exorcised the electrical gremlins from the dash. Thats it. The single most expensive thing I did to it was install leather cupholders, a $32 investment. That may have brought me slightly over $700.

I am so happy with the car, I am selling what was my daily driver, a 2002 Pontiac Sunfire.

My wife drives the new car, a 2006 Ford FiveHundred. The monthly payments on it are as much as my 190 was paid in full!

I have since found a B-100 supplier, offering it cheaper than diesel. Now I have also found a steady source of WVO! Cost of ownership is plummeting!

So, yes! there is such thing as a cheap Mercedes Diesel. I'm driving one. And, It came from a used car dealer!

Search Craigslist, Kijiji, and offer on every diesel car 60% of what they are asking. You will get a lot of nasty replies, lots of sarcastic emails and flat out "NO's" 'but, you may get a "Yes". You don't know these people, you will probably never know them and they will not know you. You won't even ever see them. You have nothing to loose by lowballing them. Just keep it above a repectable 60% offer :D

whunter 08-02-2010 12:48 AM

Answer
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1977busman (Post 2516734)
Well now that my 92 300D needs rebuilt injectors, it will be out of commission for a while, which means i will be driving the 6.0 liter Chevy truck that gets 12mpg. Now since i am only 16, and don't have a job yet this is going to kill my Mercedes repair funding. So I am considering buying a "cheap" piece of transportation until then, and sell once I trust my car again. But of course it has to be a diesel car. My question is that what are the chances that buying lets say a $500 running and driving Mercedes that i will not have to dump a bunch of money into it just to get it to get me from point a to point b. Here are a few options i have found:
http://dayton.craigslist.org/cto/1872875826.html
http://cincinnati.craigslist.org/cto/1875466827.html
Let me know what you think, or if i should just suck it up and drive the gas guzzler...
thanks
zach

IMO, the cost of injectors = the cost of another car..


300D 2.5
W124.128
1990-1993
OM602.962


BOSCH
Fuel Injector Assembly, (Rebuilt) 5 Per Car
MB# 003 017 29 21 88

Fastlane: Diesel Injector
http://catalog.peachparts.com/item.wws?sku=W0133-1824945


6050780581 diesel Looped Fuel Return Hose, one meter
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/mercedes-parts-reference-library/204762-6050780581-diesel-looped-fuel-return-hose-one-meter.html

Cheap MB diesels in your area...

1977 Mercedes Benz 300D - $400
http://cincinnati.craigslist.org/cto/1854617736.html

1982 4 Door Merz 300 D - $450 (lexington)
http://lexington.craigslist.org/cto/1820013080.html

1985 Mercedes 300d turbo diesel - $500 (Indianapolis)
http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/1871055142.html

82 mercedes 300D - $600 (columbus)
http://columbus.craigslist.org/cto/1802564770.html

1981 Mercedes 300SD turbo diesel - $500 (Hardy)
http://roanoke.craigslist.org/cto/1829371877.html

1975 Mercedes 240d diesel w115 complete - $400 (Portsmouth Ohio)
http://columbus.craigslist.org/cto/1822588144.html

1975 Mercedes 240D - $400 (Irvine)
http://lexington.craigslist.org/cto/1824299251.html


Have a great day.

Skid Row Joe 08-02-2010 12:53 AM

"Is there such thing as a cheap mercedes diesel!??
 
If you find one - let me know.....:D

cirrusman 08-02-2010 12:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by otto huber (Post 2516774)
Ditto that.

I've pulled injectors out of a yard for $16.00 a piece that worked quite well.
It looks to me like you're already getting the MB bug and looking for an excuse to buy another one.

Can't blame you... they're real nice cars. I'm already looking for an excuse to buy me a 300TD... :D But I agree with both otto and sixto; it would be easier, quicker and cheaper to just repair your injectors than finding, buying, registering and insuring a third car. Way cheaper. And for the amount of money that you will probably have to put on the "new" acquisition, really it's not worth it. On the other hand, if you're just honest with yourself, and what you really want is a second Benz (I know I do) just say so :) Nobody here is going to slap you in the face for that...

weird beard 08-02-2010 01:04 AM

Just think of the car collection you could aquire buying another Benz each time one of the others breaks down!

365 days in the year = 365 cars in the driveway

sixto 08-02-2010 01:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whunter (Post 2516796)
IMO, the cost of injectors = the cost of another car.

True, but he's going to fix the car anyway and rebuilding injectors doesn't cost much less than buying ones ready to install.

I agree he's fishing for a reason to buy another car. He's just not as good as the rest of us yet :)

Sixto
87 300D

Skid Row Joe 08-02-2010 01:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1977busman (Post 2516734)
Well now that my 92 300d needs rebuilt injectors, it will be out of commision for a while, which means i will be driving the 6.0 liter chevy truck that gets 12mpg. Now since i am only 16, and dont have a job yet this is going to kill my mercedes repair funding. So I am considering buying a "cheap" piece of transportation until then, and sell once I trust my car again. But of course it has to be a diesel car. My question is that what are the chances that buying lets say a $500 running and driving mercedes that i will not have to dump a bunch of money into it just to get it to get me from point a to point b. Here are a few options i have found:
http://dayton.craigslist.org/cto/1872875826.html
http://cincinnati.craigslist.org/cto/1875466827.html
Let me know what you think, or if i should just suck it up and drive the gas guzzler...
thanks
zach

I would go the parts cars route. Buy like models one at a time to cannibalize to keep your main MB diesel running. The only problem is finding your model cheap and close enough to drag home. That, and the space to store parts cars. At your age, I'd definitely go the parts cars route if I were you. Might as well learn these things inside and out if you like owning and driving them.

ashedd 08-02-2010 01:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whunter (Post 2516796)
1985 Mercedes 300d turbo diesel - $500 (Indianapolis)
http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/1871055142.html

This is right up the road from me. I could check it out for you.

whunter 08-02-2010 01:37 AM

Agree
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sixto (Post 2516805)
True, but he's going to fix the car anyway and rebuilding injectors doesn't cost much less than buying ones ready to install.

I agree he's fishing for a reason to buy another car. He's just not as good as the rest of us yet :)

Sixto
87 300D

Two hours work + parts. :D

Fastlane: Diesel Inj. Nozzle
http://catalog.peachparts.com/item.wws?sku=W0133-1621234


Fastlane: Injector Heat Shield
http://catalog.peachparts.com/item.wws?sku=W0133-1643266



Injector + Heat shield + Nozzle, Prechamber + Collar and Nailing. LINK THREAD
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/211750-injector-heat-shield-nozzle-prechamber-collar-nailing-link-thread.html




Diesel Humor
For those times when you need a little smile therapy.

Oil on da brain
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/88570-oil-da-brain.html

Are you obsessed with MB diesels?
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/88926-you-obsessed-mb-diesels.html#post583607

Muffler grease
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/88588-muffler-grease.html#post581091

(Humor) Here's what you call a Real Diesel Man-Drinks Diesel...
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/116453-humor-heres-what-you-call-real-diesel-man-drinks-diesel.html#post827573

Clean humor only, no hijacking please .
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/off-topic-discussion/118736-clean-humor-only-no-hijacking-please-post1035455.html

On WVO now glove compartment won't close...
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/alternative-fuels/142541-wvo-now-glove-compartment-wont-close-post1070771.html

Are nipples any good?
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/88669-nipples-any-good.html#post581633

Be vewey vewey quiet, i'm hunting wabbits fwom my Mercedes
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/234890-vewey-vewey-quiet-im-hunting-wabbits-fwom-my-mercedes.html#post1987324

Diesel aftershave!
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/86520-diesel-aftershave.html#post564016

1977busman 08-02-2010 08:44 AM

ok, after reviewing some prices i have decided that new replacements may just be worth it. And yes truly ive been looking for a reason to buy another mb diesel...:D But i currently own 2 of the 10 cars in the shop and garage, and get lectured about having too much already. I gave up on the parts car idea, when i realized how few w124's there were with the 5cyl. My car I thought was cheap, and have yet to see anything close to it and a parts car for me would need to be very cheap. Also I am not as skilled at finding new ways to "need" another mb diesel, im only 16...:rolleyes:

1977busman 08-02-2010 10:39 AM

ok another quick question. IF i replace them with new do i need both the new injector and the tip?
http://catalog.peachparts.com/ShopByVehicle.epc?q=1992-Mercedes--Benz-300d-Diesel--Injection&yearid=1992%40%401992&makeid=63%40%40MERCEDES+BENZ%40%40X&modelid=6180%3AED%7C10000095%3AM BC%7C1501%40%40300D&catid=240706%40%40Diesel+Injection&subcatid=240708@@Diesel+Injector&mode=PA

http://catalog.peachparts.com/ShopByVehicle.epc?q=1992-Mercedes--Benz-300d-Diesel--Injection&yearid=1992%40%401992&makeid=63%40%40MERCEDES+BENZ%40%40X&modelid=6180%3AED%7C10000095%3AM BC%7C1501%40%40300D&catid=240706%40%40Diesel+Injection&subcatid=240709@@Diesel+Inj%2E+Nozzle&mode=PA

sixto 08-02-2010 01:19 PM

IIRC you need special equipment and knowledge to replace nozzles then balance the set so I'd stay with complete injectors. Are there Bosch shops that offer injectors on an exchange basis?

Back to the sideline, if you get a beater in the interim, you'll have another money draw (I said draw, not pit) contending for your limited funds. Maybe that's how you factor a month to get the 2.5 running.

Skid Row Joe makes a good point and you don't need another 2.5 to start with. You don't even need another Diesel. A same year 300E will have lots of parts you can use. A 190D 2.5 will also have a bunch of parts you can use. If you find a 190D 2.5 5-speed, you'll have what you need for a very desirable conversion if you like to row.

Sixto
87 300D

1977busman 08-02-2010 02:06 PM

so does peachparts offer complete injectors? If not where can I get them complete, columbus diesel is not returning my calls for rebuilds... and i actually found a 91 300d that "needs timing belt" for $488 but hes pretty far away. Also I am pushing the beater car off to the side for now...;)

sixto 08-02-2010 03:38 PM

Peachparts aka Fastlane to the forum has injectors. Check whunter's link above. And don't let his moderator title fool you. He's pretty radical :)

Grab that 91 300D! Think of it as a set of injectors with a parts car thrown in for free. The busted timing chain, it doesn't have a timing belt unless someone stuffed a Toyota engine in it, might mean a few bent valves but it's otherwise an ideal parts car.

Sixto
87 300D

junqueyardjim 08-02-2010 04:32 PM

Sure there are
 
The country is filled with cheap Mercedes. Any Benz selling for under $5000.00 is cheap by new car standards and many of these "cheapies" offer excellent transportation. But you have to be able to separate cheap from junk. Junk should go to the P & P, but because of lax or no enforcement of auto inspections, they live to see another day. Except for using it as a parts car, and it is wonderful to have a good parts car, a person shouldn't buy a junker.

whunter 08-02-2010 06:11 PM

Answer
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1977busman (Post 2517085)
so does peachparts offer complete injectors? If not where can I get them complete, columbus diesel is not returning my calls for rebuilds... and i actually found a 91 300d that "needs timing belt" for $488 but hes pretty far away. Also I am pushing the beater car off to the side for now...;)

Duplicated from post# 13..



300D 2.5
W124.128
1990-1993
OM602.962


BOSCH
Fuel Injector Assembly, (Rebuilt) 5 Per Car
MB# 003 017 29 21 88

Fastlane: Diesel Injector
http://catalog.peachparts.com/item.wws?sku=W0133-1824945


6050780581 diesel Looped Fuel Return Hose, one meter
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showthread.php?t=204762

1977busman 08-05-2010 11:06 PM

well this worked out oddly....
 
Well with the 92 on the back burner for a bit, I started looking into selling the 1977 vw bus for some extra project money. well an add came up on craigslist for a 1983 300sd that wanted to trade for something different but didnt want to sell. I thought what the heck i mmise well call. well she had been looking for a bus and traded even. The car has no rust, has been repainted, and runs like a champ with some charging issues. But the interior is shot, but it runs and drives for now rather well...

Joseph_Conrad 08-05-2010 11:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1977busman (Post 2519768)
Well with the 92 on the back burner for a bit, I started looking into selling the 1977 vw bus for some extra project money. well an add came up on craigslist for a 1983 300sd that wanted to trade for something different but didnt want to sell. I thought what the heck i mmise well call. well she had been looking for a bus and traded even. The car has no rust, has been repainted, and runs like a champ with some charging issues. But the interior is shot, but it runs and drives for now rather well...

Nice. Funny how things work out. Pictures if you have the chance! :)

whunter 08-05-2010 11:27 PM

ROFL
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1977busman (Post 2519768)
Well with the 92 on the back burner for a bit, I started looking into selling the 1977 vw bus for some extra project money. well an add came up on craigslist for a 1983 300sd that wanted to trade for something different but didnt want to sell. I thought what the heck i mmise well call. well she had been looking for a bus and traded even. The car has no rust, has been repainted, and runs like a champ with some charging issues. But the interior is shot, but it runs and drives for now rather well...

:D
Are you obsessed with MB diesels?
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showthread.php?p=583607

1977busman 08-05-2010 11:27 PM

Will post some tommorow

Skid Row Joe 08-06-2010 12:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1977busman (Post 2516734)
Well now that my 92 300d needs rebuilt injectors, it will be out of commision for a while, which means i will be driving the 6.0 liter chevy truck that gets 12mpg. Now since i am only 16, and dont have a job yet this is going to kill my mercedes repair funding. So I am considering buying a "cheap" piece of transportation until then, and sell once I trust my car again. But of course it has to be a diesel car. My question is that what are the chances that buying lets say a $500 running and driving mercedes that i will not have to dump a bunch of money into it just to get it to get me from point a to point b. Here are a few options i have found:
http://dayton.craigslist.org/cto/1872875826.html
http://cincinnati.craigslist.org/cto/1875466827.html
Let me know what you think, or if i should just suck it up and drive the gas guzzler...
thanks
zach

I believe that any car that won't get you to and from school or work - isn't worth much, all things considered.

"No car is cheaper than the one you already have." A truism......

Have you considered slowing down on acquisitions, or liquidating several of your vehicles to raise cash and reduce your financial exposure?

1977busman 08-06-2010 10:46 PM

Quote:

:D
Are you obsessed with MB diesels?

yes why yes i am....:D



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1977busman 08-06-2010 10:53 PM

heres a bunch

http://s639.photobucket.com/albums/uu113/1977busman/1983%20mercedes%20300sd/


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