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Diesel911 09-13-2010 12:04 PM

On the models that do not have a Hand Primer the Pressure Relief/Overflow Valve is different and has a tiny hole to bleed the Air out and maybe the Lift/Fuel Supply Pump puts out more Volume so it bleeds fast.

The Pressure Relief/Overvlow Valve on the 617s simply has a spring and a Ball Bearing that acts as the Valve.

Past experience whith those inline Rubber Squeeze Bulb type Hand Primers on Diesel Engines have them leaking within a year or 2.

Increasing the Lift/Fuel Supply Pump pressure by putting in a heavier spring means the Cam iside of the Fuel Injection Pump will be stressed a little more.

You do need to be careful what Epoxys you use. Look for ones that have a working temp of up to 250 degrees F. JB Weld and Duro are ones I have used with no issues.

In particular I have found that the Fast Set types are not good for Automotive use were there is heat involved.

compress ignite 09-14-2010 02:11 AM

Marine SQUEEZE TYPE PRIMER BULB
 
1 Attachment(s)
GP,

The product you're looking for is retailed by a Marine Supplier named Moeller.
I've spoken with them and they assure me the product is not affected by Bio-Diesel.
I have one,to install in the incoming fuel line (Between the Primary and the
lift pump) on my OM602.

One Supplier:

http://boatingsavings.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/Moeller-Primer-Bulb-5-16.aspx?a=622922&kwtid=515050&pm2d=CSE-BSV-1-SHOPPING

weird beard 09-14-2010 03:19 AM

just for informational purposes, the primer pumps can be bought from any Mack Trucks dealership. I believe they are the same. They are genuine bosch and still only run about $10.

Don't epoxy the hole over, take the pump in to a hydraulic specialist so they can measure it and have them order a plug to fit in place.

funola 09-14-2010 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diesel911 (Post 2543632)
On the models that do not have a Hand Primer the Pressure Relief/Overflow Valve is different and has a tiny hole to bleed the Air out and maybe the Lift/Fuel Supply Pump puts out more Volume so it bleeds fast.

The Pressure Relief/Overvlow Valve on the 617s simply has a spring and a Ball Bearing that acts as the Valve.

Past experience whith those inline Rubber Squeeze Bulb type Hand Primers on Diesel Engines have them leaking within a year or 2.

Increasing the Lift/Fuel Supply Pump pressure by putting in a heavier spring means the Cam iside of the Fuel Injection Pump will be stressed a little more.

You do need to be careful what Epoxys you use. Look for ones that have a working temp of up to 250 degrees F. JB Weld and Duro are ones I have used with no issues.

In particular I have found that the Fast Set types are not good for Automotive use were there is heat involved.

The 5 min epoxy's like JB Qwik are rated to 300F where the longer set (6 hrs) ones are 500F. That said I've been using the 5 min stuff in contact with diesel fuel with no problems. Since JB Qwik has been so successful, Loctite recently put out a competing product that is cheaper and claimed to be stronger called Epoxy Weld

http://www.loctiteproducts.com/p/epxy_weld_t/overview/Loctite-Epoxy-Weld-Bonding-Compound.htm

Lowes has it for $3.99 where JB Qwik is $4.99 or higher everywhere . I've been using it lately and I like it better than JB Qwik.

funola 09-14-2010 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by weird beard (Post 2544251)
just for informational purposes, the primer pumps can be bought from any Mack Trucks dealership. I believe they are the same. They are genuine bosch and still only run about $10.

Don't epoxy the hole over, take the pump in to a hydraulic specialist so they can measure it and have them order a plug to fit in place.

If you are in Germany maybe you'll be able to order a plug for it but good luck here in the US. That thread is different than the banjo fittings and likely not a standard metric thread.

funola 09-14-2010 10:54 AM

I have the plug I made from the old primer pump installed and there is no more fuel seepage there but I still have an air leak. I'll just have to keep plugging away at it.

Junkman 09-14-2010 12:31 PM

This seems to be much ado about nothing. My SD usually starts easily & runs with no problem. There have been a few times where a quick pump on the primer has been needed. The primer worked & I was on my way. Why waste effort fixing something that normally works and is a cheap easy fix when it doesn't work? Replace the primer if it leaks. No need to go around the world to cross the street.


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