Parts Catalog Accessories Catalog How To Articles Tech Forums
Call Pelican Parts at 888-280-7799
Shopping Cart Cart | Project List | Order Status | Help



Go Back   PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum > Mercedes-Benz Tech Information and Support > Diesel Discussion

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 10-18-2013, 07:06 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: woodstock ct.
Posts: 53
Rear camber 85 300d

This is a fairly new car to me and is in nice condition with a huge pile of maintenance records.It has 190k on the clock and runs really strong.After purchase,i put a new set of tires on it but today I noticed the rear left tire has excessive wear on outside portion of the tire.The right side rear looks perfect and the car rides as it should.Is there a way to set rear camber on these cars other than replacing LCA bushings? Could it be another problem that im overlooking?? Thanks
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 10-18-2013, 07:11 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Carson City, NV
Posts: 3,869
The W123 doesn't come from the factory with a camber adjustment for the rear. If it's out, it's generally because of worn or broken parts. The funny thing is that as the rubber parts age and the springs sag, the rear usually develops negative camber, and your wear is indicative of positive camber. Also, enough camber to have a noticeable effect on tire wear can usually be detected visually. I'm wondering if that wear happened at one of the front corners (or even on a different car), and the tire was then switched to where it is now.
__________________
Whoever said there's nothing more expensive than a cheap Mercedes never had a cheap Jaguar.

83 300D Turbo with manual conversion, early W126 vented front rotors and H4 headlights 401,xxx miles
08 Suzuki GSX-R600 M4 Slip-on 26,xxx miles
88 Jaguar XJS V12 94,xxx miles. Work in progress.
99 Mazda Miata 183,xxx miles.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 10-18-2013, 07:20 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: woodstock ct.
Posts: 53
The tires were bought and installed by me and I have never done any kind of tire rotation on it.I have maybe 10k miles on the new set.I know im over due for a tire rotation.When I bought the car,it had a spare tire in the trunk showing the same kind of wear..
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 10-18-2013, 07:17 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: West of Ft. Worth. TX
Posts: 4,186
I would be suspicious of trailing arm bushings. On my W126, I noticed rear tire wear and when I lowered the trailing arm, was surprised at how worn the were. It is hard to see the wear until you lower them.
__________________
Sam

84 300SD 350K+ miles ( Blue Belle )
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 10-18-2013, 07:31 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Carson City, NV
Posts: 3,869
Toe wear can also look like camber wear, and can come from worn trailing arm bushings. I'm having a little of this problem myself now, but I plan to wait until spring and then do all the rear rubber at once, since I'm also getting a wiggle (diff mount?) under large changes in accelerator input.

Time for an alignment check and probably some new trailing arm bushings for you.
__________________
Whoever said there's nothing more expensive than a cheap Mercedes never had a cheap Jaguar.

83 300D Turbo with manual conversion, early W126 vented front rotors and H4 headlights 401,xxx miles
08 Suzuki GSX-R600 M4 Slip-on 26,xxx miles
88 Jaguar XJS V12 94,xxx miles. Work in progress.
99 Mazda Miata 183,xxx miles.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 10-18-2013, 07:36 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: woodstock ct.
Posts: 53
Sounds like a good winter project to keep me out of trouble....Oh hell ! The old Harley needs work also..
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 10-18-2013, 08:29 PM
whunter's Avatar
Moderator
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
Posts: 17,432
Answer

Quote:
Originally Posted by ftwchopper View Post
This is a fairly new car to me and is in nice condition with a huge pile of maintenance records.It has 190k on the clock and runs really strong.After purchase,i put a new set of tires on it but today I noticed the rear left tire has excessive wear on outside portion of the tire.The right side rear looks perfect and the car rides as it should.Is there a way to set rear camber on these cars other than replacing LCA bushings? Could it be another problem that im overlooking?? Thanks
If it is not the trailing arm bushings?
I suggest a previous owner might have replaced the rear spring shims, and accidentally installed a mixed pair = 13mm on side #A and 19mm on side #B.

I assume you have inspected the trailing arm for corrosion and fracture/cracks, this is not uncommon in Michigan salt = replace the assembly with a good used unit.

.
__________________
ASE Master Mechanic
https://whunter.carrd.co/

Prototype R&D/testing:
Thermal & Aerodynamic System Engineering (TASE) Senior vehicle instrumentation technician.
Noise Vibration and Harshness (NVH).
Dynamometer.
Heat exchanger durability.
HV-A/C Climate Control.
Vehicle build.
Fleet Durability
Technical Quality Auditor.
Automotive Technical Writer

1985 300SD
1983 300D
2003 Volvo V70

https://www.boldegoist.com/
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 10-18-2013, 08:37 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: woodstock ct.
Posts: 53
Thanks WHUNTER...The thought would never have occurred to me about the spring shims.The trailing arm looks to be in good shape with some minor surface rust in a few spots.
Wouldn't worn bushings cause negative camber with wear on the inside of the tire??
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 10-18-2013, 08:47 PM
whunter's Avatar
Moderator
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
Posts: 17,432
Answer

Quote:
Originally Posted by ftwchopper View Post
Thanks WHUNTER...The thought would never have occurred to me about the spring shims.The trailing arm looks to be in good shape with some minor surface rust in a few spots.
Wouldn't worn bushings cause negative camber with wear on the inside of the tire??
Depends on which bushing is worse, as to applied load and thrust angle dynamic.

The math and descriptions only get more technical from here, useless data for you.

IMO:
View the bushings as perfect condition/alignment or TRASH, and you can't make a mistake.

.
__________________
ASE Master Mechanic
https://whunter.carrd.co/

Prototype R&D/testing:
Thermal & Aerodynamic System Engineering (TASE) Senior vehicle instrumentation technician.
Noise Vibration and Harshness (NVH).
Dynamometer.
Heat exchanger durability.
HV-A/C Climate Control.
Vehicle build.
Fleet Durability
Technical Quality Auditor.
Automotive Technical Writer

1985 300SD
1983 300D
2003 Volvo V70

https://www.boldegoist.com/
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On




All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:58 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2024 Pelican Parts, LLC - Posts may be archived for display on the Peach Parts or Pelican Parts Website -    DMCA Registered Agent Contact Page