|
Sanden retrofit: Final days of the York compressor. (with photos)
In the middle of the retrofit of a Sanden compressor in place of the old York compressor. Just thought some people here might be interested.
York in car: http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/v...tripped006.jpg Car without the York: http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/v...tripped017.jpg York and bracket: http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/v...Bracket003.jpg Bottom bolts on York/bracket: http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/v...Bracket005.jpg Will keep posting linked photos of this retrofit. |
So do you got to go with a different bracket or modify this one?
|
Quote:
|
Im not sure how much the old york tapps, but the radials eat 15 hp---ide bet the york eats more.
the sanden eats 7hp:) |
I read somewhere that the york eats 19hp...
|
Great pictures. Thanks for posting them.
You staying with R12 or converting? |
Very nice. I will be following this thread.
|
Interested as well. Did the York compressor quit? Or are you just upgrading?
|
Quote:
|
I used the sanden to york bracket when I retrofitted a sanden in place of my R4. I mounted it differently because my compressor is on the bottom of my engine.
Just so you'll know, the bracket I received was pretty crappy. The "arms" for adjustment were out of square with the base and the slots were cast wonky. You may have to do some work on it to get the compressor mounted square. It eventually worked but just not out of the box. It came with a bunch of bolts for mounting the compressor but I doubt it would have stayed in place and held belt tension if you used it the way prescribed... Just a FYI, a sanden 709 compressor uses the same mounting locations as a 508 and is a newer 7 cyl (VS 5 cyl) design. I'm happy with my 709 in my 116. |
Quote:
I've also found that most of the firewall grommets have rotted and shrank over the years. This has contributed to the funkyness of the interior smell for sure. The most expensive grommet yet is the A/C line grommet A123 997 12 81 at around $50. |
Slow going
I've had so many obstacles with the family thrown in my way that this is an, hour-at-a-time job. I have to steal just a few minutes here and there to take shots of the work, and keep the project going.
The 240D without the compressor: http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/v...DNoYork002.jpg Cleaned York Bracket w/o York: http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/v...Bracket003.jpg Another shot of cleaned bracket: http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/v...Bracket004.jpg Found the engine plate: http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/v...IDPlate011.jpg |
Lower engine cleaning.
I will try to roll the car out to the driveway to degrease the front lower half and the rest of the engine bay.
I will have to hook up the battey and run it for about a half a minute to pull it back into the garage. Should be fine without a fan, water, radiator for less than a minute of run time. |
Wish there had been an easy way to swap a Sanden for the R4 on my 240D.
Happy Motoring, Mark |
Quote:
Thanks for the tips. I will be test fitting the bracket tonight and probably painting the York bracket to prevent any rust. Hopefully I will get the lower front of the car degreased by this weekend so that I can put most of it back together. The motor is really well insulated with 1/4 to 1.5 inches of gunk. I'm trying to make sure that I will be able to ID and stop leaks in the future. Plus, this will let the motor metal/air heat transfer work a bit better. |
Touschgarrett!!! Probably #1 failure...
How much was the kit? |
Quote:
|
Factory rebuild
For real. Are you aware that you have a factory rebuilt 616? You should call the MB Classic Center in CA. If you give them the serial number on that motor badge, they should be able to pull up records showing when your rebuilt motor was installed, etc. etc. Pretty neat.
|
Yorks have been known to provide probably the best cooling capability at idle speeds because of it's big pistons and huge displacement. The drawback is it robs a lot of horsepower to run it. I'll be interested to see which Sanden model you'll use and how it would compare to the York in terms of cooling.
BTW- Off roaders love the York compressor converted to an Air Compressor to fill up their tires while they are done trailing. Someone in that arena may love to have yours to convert. . |
Quote:
|
Quote:
|
There is an old guy with a 87 300D wagon near my inlaws house, he sometimes asks me for help on his car work. His engine also has that plate and a barcode sticker on the front of the head too.
Didnt know that was a replacement badge. |
I have replaced the Yorks on three of my cars with Sandens. A 220D, a 300D and a M115. In each case the cooling difference was minimal but the power drain difference was amazing. The 220D and the 240D didn't need the idle knob tweaked as they did with the York and the M115 doesn't even notice the difference.
You can feel the slight drag on the M115 between gear changes but nothing like the York created. Cooling actually seems improved at anything above 2500 RPMs. I removed most of the additional bracing on the original MB bracket and never had a problem. |
Despite the noise & vibration (especially if the brackets aren't all secure) and power usage, the York generaly has a much better reputation for durability than the R4. There used to be different sized compressor-pulleys availible for the York. If that's still the case, some may want to consider fitting a larger diameter pulley. Many years ago, I did this with a hang-on Sears AC in a '67 Mustang, and while there was some loss of AC cooling at idle, there was a significant overall reduction in engine temperature and load.
Happy Motoring, Mark |
Quote:
The truth is that I will not have anything to compare against. The A/C in the car was marginal at best when we got it six years ago. The second owner had tried to recharge the system with a retrofit R-134a kit. I had the system purged, cleaned and recharged to find that the compressor was shot. So having cold air in the summertime will be a new experience in this car. |
Look! I found a OM616
I finally got most of the grease and crud off the engine. That took the better part the day and nearly two gallons of Por15 Marine Clean mixed 1to1 with water.
http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/v...dEngine001.jpg http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/v...dEngine002.jpg http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/v...dEngine003.jpg http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/v...dEngine008.jpg http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/v...dEngine009.jpg http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/v...dEngine011.jpg http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/v...dEngine012.jpg http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/v...dEngine014.jpg |
Very nice and clean. Want to come do mine next :D
|
Wow, very nice and clean! Hopefully it doesn't turn black again after the first drive. :P
|
Found a little rust on the firewall. Fixed what I could for now. Spring pockets will need some work.
Firewall rust http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/v...rayRust007.jpg Ground off paint, rust and crud down to bare metal and primed http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/v...rayRust015.jpg |
Quote:
. |
Quote:
. |
just curious, when you used the POR15 marine clean mixed 1:1 to clean the engine bay, did you spray it on, let it sit then rinse off with water or did you spray it on, let it sit and use a brush to remove the grease? My 617 is in need of a thorough cleaning.......
|
Quote:
|
York versus Sanden compressor pics.
Length(pully to back of car): York 19.5cm, Sanden 21cm.
Height: York 21cm, Sanden 12.5cm. Width: York 14cm, Sanden 12cm. Weight: York 20.75lbs., Sanden 18lbs. http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/v...susYork005.jpg http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/v...susYork006.jpg http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/v...susYork008.jpg |
Assembly hardware
Some shots of the pieces and parts involved.
Mounting Bushings: http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/v...ushings012.jpg Stock bushing/bolt/washer arrangement: http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/v...ardware013.jpg Planned hardware arrangement for mounting the adapter plate: http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/v...ardware014.jpg Lining up the bolts: http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/v...Bracket015.jpg I left out the lock washer as well as the small washer near the bolt head in the final assembly: http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/v...Bracket016.jpg Another shot of the mounted adapter: http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/v...Bracket017.jpg Mounted compressor, note that I have the nuts on interior on both front and back: http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/v...Bracket023.jpg Aligned with idler pulley: http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/v...ignment027.jpg Sanden mounted in the car: http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/v...enonCar028.jpg I put some paint on the rusty firewall to keep from developing any more air leaks there. Firewall painted: http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/v...irewall001.jpg |
Finally...
Installed the new battery tray, Thank you Phil.
http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/v...enonCar033.jpg Everything but the coolant lines, belt and final wiring: http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/v...enonCar034.jpg |
The suction line that comes from the evaporator through the firewall is a really tight fit. I may need to have a new hose made for that connection.
This is primarily due to the new placement of the connections on the compressor. The discharge line will fit with very little issue, but the hardline of the suction line makes things very difficult. I also need to contact my supplier to make certain that the Sanden has no oils or issues with running R12. (see photo of compressor tag) I will be running the back pulley on the compressor just to make things fit a bit more true on belt alignment. There's only about 5-7mm between the alternator belt and AC belt where they pass one another. http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/v...ntLabel010.jpg |
oil for your compressor
Hi, I hate to bring up the oil issue. I have the "kit" for my 220D, but have not installed it yet.
I purchased a compressor for R-12, but I notice yours has markings for R-134a. I believe the compressor has some oil in it, and the two oils will be different for the different refrigerants. Also, did you add oil to the system, that is the hoses, condenser, evaporator, and dryer? I think the York does not circulate oil (its oil is in the sump), but the other compressors all do. That means all the system gets oil, and some should be included for all the different parts if going from York to any compressor that circulates oil. Ron |
Quote:
I did contact the supplier today and got an answer in record time. I will have the AC shop flush the oil from the compressor and replace with mineral oil. I will also have them build new hoses to fit the new compressor placement. I like DIY as much as possible, but there are some things that I will leave to those with the proper tools and expertise. Now I just have to rebuild all of the system under the dashboard. |
| All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:52 PM. |
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2024 Pelican Parts, LLC - Posts may be archived for display on the Peach Parts or Pelican Parts Website