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Old 06-15-2012, 10:03 PM
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Does anyone know ANYTHING about a 603 #15 head?

Yep, I've got a #15 head on my SDL. Apparently they're very rare. Does anyone know anything about them? Just curious...since I've got one.

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Old 06-15-2012, 11:07 PM
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afaik, all heads built above the 14 have the improved design. the higher the number, the more design changes implemented.
likely the 15 still has straight injectors.
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Old 06-15-2012, 11:25 PM
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Nobody knows anything about them.

They are an updated version of the #14..........obviously.

The details of the update are unknown.
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Old 06-16-2012, 01:06 AM
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I think the #17 hears were out by 1989 w/ the 3.5L motor.

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It would be nice to know if the 15 addressed the overheating issue....but apparently no one knows (yet).

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afaik, all heads built above the 14 have the improved design. the higher the number, the more design changes implemented.
likely the 15 still has straight injectors.
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It would be nice to know if the 15 addressed the overheating issue....
............what "overheating" issue??
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............what "overheating" issue??
Head cracking if engine overheats.
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Old 06-16-2012, 08:14 AM
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Head cracking if engine overheats.
Personally, I am not of the opinion that any aluminum head is going to survive a severe overheat on a 603. The design of the head with very little material between the valves and the prechamber is the primary cause of this.

While the later heads improved the design with more material in the weaker areas, it's still not cast iron and any thought that it is bulletproof ought to be dispelled.

BTW, take a close look at the belt on the SDL. It might be three years old now..........and I would change it on principle. It's a 15 minute job if you're prepared and understand the belt routing.
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Thankfully, I'm a compulsive gauge watcher.
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Old 06-16-2012, 08:19 AM
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Thankfully, I'm a compulsive gauge watcher.
I thought I was as well.

But, you only have about 1 minute at 3000 rpm without the belt. Fortunately, you lose power steering if the belt goes............an immediate alarm!
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Old 06-16-2012, 08:26 AM
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If the belt goes do any lights illuminate? I've only thrown a belt once (on the 92 300D), but that was because the alternator went out so I'm guessing that account for the lights coming on.

Visually the belt looks to be in good shape.

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I thought I was as well.

But, you only have about 1 minute at 3000 rpm without the belt. Fortunately, you lose power steering if the belt goes............an immediate alarm!
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If the belt goes do any lights illuminate? I've only thrown a belt once (on the 92 300D), but that was because the alternator went out so I'm guessing that account for the lights coming on.

Visually the belt looks to be in good shape.
You'd get an immediate alternator light as well.

I tend to believe the noise of the belt letting go and the loss of the p/s would give anyone who's got the slightest perception the notice to get the vehicle off the road immediately.

The danger lies where the driver chooses to make "the next exit". Catastrophic.
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Old 06-16-2012, 08:51 AM
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You'd get an immediate alternator light as well.

I tend to believe the noise of the belt letting go and the loss of the p/s would give anyone who's got the slightest perception the notice to get the vehicle off the road immediately.

The danger lies where the driver chooses to make "the next exit". Catastrophic.
It's not me I worry about. But my son driving the 92? That's another story....
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Old 06-16-2012, 08:59 AM
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It's not me I worry about. But my son driving the 92? That's another story....
There are all kinds of examples on here of children trashing the engine due to "next gas station syndrome".

You might as well accept that fact............it will happen if the belt lets go.
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Old 06-16-2012, 10:23 AM
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The various mods from #14 through to #22 were designed to address problems involving too little material in the head between areas of relative pressure/different fluids. These weak areas tended to have head gasket failures causing coolant to be dumped into the oil pan or vice-versa. The "next exit" problem, as Brian writes, whether caused by a serpentine belt failure or by letting the coolant get low, will not be fixed by any head redesign. Alloy heads cannot survive the kind of overheating that cast iron will shrug off (and it's also possible to overheat a 61x engine, you just have to work a little harder).

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