|
|
|
#16
|
|||
|
|||
I really do not want to confuse you with any more info than what is posted here already. Most of the info here is wrong or mis-leading. You need to sort out the wiring, starter circuit is extremely simple. I do not have the same car so I cannot tell you the exact configuration but it is similar in ALL old cars.
There is NO residual charge in a starter. Anyone tell you that is BS. There is no CAPACITOR in a starter. Even if there is, it is so small that it would have discharged very quickly thru the winding. Recheck your wiring. what have been posted does not make sense. No need to remove it, just check the wiring for now.
__________________
Not MBZ nor A/C trained professional but a die-hard DIY and green engineer. Use the info at your own peril. Picked up 2 Infractions because of disagreements. NOW reversed. W124 Keyless remote, PM for details. http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/mercedes-used-parts-sale-wanted/334620-fs-w124-chasis-keyless-remote-%2450-shipped.html 1 X 2006 CDI 1 x 87 300SDL 1 x 87 300D 1 x 87 300TDT wagon 1 x 83 300D 1 x 84 190D ( 5 sp ) - All R134 converted + keyless entry. |
#17
|
||||
|
||||
Answer
Quote:
If the battery was not getting a boost ? My diagnosis would in order be: #1. A bad starter/engine ground connection. #2. A failing neutral safety switch. #3. A failing ignition switch. .
__________________
ASE Master Mechanic asemastermechanic@juno.com Prototype R&D/testing: Thermal & Aerodynamic System Engineering (TASE) Senior vehicle instrumentation technician. Noise Vibration and Harshness (NVH). Dynamometer. Heat exchanger durability. HV-A/C Climate Control. Vehicle build. Fleet Durability Technical Quality Auditor. Automotive Technical Writer 1985 300SD 1983 300D 1984 190D 2003 Volvo V70 2002 Honda Civic https://www.boldegoist.com/ |
#18
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
I don't remember if this is a Pic of a Delco Starter or a Mercedes Starter but they both have similar parts and work the same. The Red arrow point to the 2 High Amperage Contacts that the Solenoid connects to each other when the Sonlenoid is activated.
__________________
84 300D, 82 Volvo 244Gl Diesel |
#19
|
||||
|
||||
If nothing is happening at all when the Key is turned it could be the Neutral Safety Switch or the Ignigion Switch.
When you Turn the Key to the Start Position one of those Purple (Violet) wires that attaches to the small Terminal on the Starter Solenoid should get Voltage.
__________________
84 300D, 82 Volvo 244Gl Diesel |
#20
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
__________________
Grumpy Old Diesel Owners Club group I no longer question authority, I annoy authority. More effect, less effort.... 1967 230-6 auto parts car. rust bucket. 1980 300D now parts car 800k miles 1984 300D 500k miles 1987 250td 160k miles English import 2001 jeep turbo diesel 130k miles 1998 jeep tdi ~ followed me home. Needs a turbo. 1968 Ford F750 truck. 6-354 diesel conversion. Other toys ~J.D.,Cat & GM ~ mainly earth moving |
#21
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
__________________
Grumpy Old Diesel Owners Club group I no longer question authority, I annoy authority. More effect, less effort.... 1967 230-6 auto parts car. rust bucket. 1980 300D now parts car 800k miles 1984 300D 500k miles 1987 250td 160k miles English import 2001 jeep turbo diesel 130k miles 1998 jeep tdi ~ followed me home. Needs a turbo. 1968 Ford F750 truck. 6-354 diesel conversion. Other toys ~J.D.,Cat & GM ~ mainly earth moving |
#22
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
ah, this is absolutely correct.
__________________
Grumpy Old Diesel Owners Club group I no longer question authority, I annoy authority. More effect, less effort.... 1967 230-6 auto parts car. rust bucket. 1980 300D now parts car 800k miles 1984 300D 500k miles 1987 250td 160k miles English import 2001 jeep turbo diesel 130k miles 1998 jeep tdi ~ followed me home. Needs a turbo. 1968 Ford F750 truck. 6-354 diesel conversion. Other toys ~J.D.,Cat & GM ~ mainly earth moving |
#23
|
||||
|
||||
so... what does the car do now?
ZERO chance bumping the air cleaner housing had ANYTHING to do with starting the car. however, if he connected the rod from the negative cable on the battery and touched to the air cleaner mount, THAT might have given the starter a solid ground, and allowed the start. my bet is the shifter bushings are off... what confuses me is the click... NSS would not have allowed the click. a dead battery will cause the starter to click... most likely, the starter is internally worn, and needs replacement if it clicks with a good battery, if the battery is good. a weak ground strap will cause the starter to merely click, and not start. the pic above of the ground strap is similar to what the 79 would have, but it's shorter. the cable will be on the driver's side.
__________________
John HAUL AWAY, OR CRUSHED CARS!!! HELP ME keep the cars out of the crusher! A/C Thread "as I ride with my a/c on... I have fond memories of sweaty oily saturdays and spewing R12 into the air. THANKS for all you do! My drivers: 1987 190D 2.5Turbo 1987 190D 2.5Turbo 1987 190D 2.5-5SPEED!!! 1987 300TD 1987 300TD 1994GMC 2500 6.5Turbo truck... I had to put the ladder somewhere! |
#24
|
||||
|
||||
Just got home. Girlfriend informed me that she drove my brother's fiancee home earlier while I was out. Told me the car started no problem. I'm not doing anything after work tomorrow, so I'll pop the hood and start checking the system over, starting with the battery. I'll post pics, too. From what I've read, I'm mainly looking out for bad grounds. I'm pretty sure it is wired up correctly, but I'll take a pic or two of it. Now here's a question; As I've mentioned, she has the pencil GP upgrade. There's a wire running from the GP relay to the battery AND to the starter, where it connects to the same terminal as the ignition wire. I'm not entirely sure how that system works. Is it to compensate for the fact that the parallel-style GP system needs more juice than the factory relay can produce?
I know it's slightly unrelated, but I want to be sure that it's wired properly.
__________________
- 1979 W123 240D 4-speed, 390k miles |
#25
|
||||
|
||||
if the pencil upgrade included a MB pencil relay, the wire going to the starter is to let the relay know you've started the car so it can shut off.
__________________
John HAUL AWAY, OR CRUSHED CARS!!! HELP ME keep the cars out of the crusher! A/C Thread "as I ride with my a/c on... I have fond memories of sweaty oily saturdays and spewing R12 into the air. THANKS for all you do! My drivers: 1987 190D 2.5Turbo 1987 190D 2.5Turbo 1987 190D 2.5-5SPEED!!! 1987 300TD 1987 300TD 1994GMC 2500 6.5Turbo truck... I had to put the ladder somewhere! |
#26
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
On My Car the Steering Colum Lock is out of the car and the Ignition Switch came with it and I needed to start and move My Car. I used that Prurple (Violet) Wire applied to + Voltage today to preglow and then took the wire that goes to the Solenoid and appled to the + to crank and start. I just did that about 1 hour ago.
__________________
84 300D, 82 Volvo 244Gl Diesel |
#27
|
||||
|
||||
What is happening when the starter whines when you turn the key? usually a couple attempts later it will turn over and the starter will engage and start the car.
__________________
'82 240D automatic to manual (sold) '84 300D (sold) '12 MINI CooperS Coupe '71 Triumph Stag '76 MGB '08 BMW 535XI wagon '12 VW Golf TDI |
#28
|
||||
|
||||
Answer
Quote:
* The solenoid lever "pivot pin" has (loosened) backed out. * The starter solenoid mounting screws have (loosened) backed out. Remove the starter for inspection, and testing. .
__________________
ASE Master Mechanic asemastermechanic@juno.com Prototype R&D/testing: Thermal & Aerodynamic System Engineering (TASE) Senior vehicle instrumentation technician. Noise Vibration and Harshness (NVH). Dynamometer. Heat exchanger durability. HV-A/C Climate Control. Vehicle build. Fleet Durability Technical Quality Auditor. Automotive Technical Writer 1985 300SD 1983 300D 1984 190D 2003 Volvo V70 2002 Honda Civic https://www.boldegoist.com/ |
Bookmarks |
|
|