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Old 03-03-2013, 01:28 PM
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Torque rating for 615/616 and 617na and 617 turbo

What are the stock torque ratings for the 615/616 and 617 n/a - 617 turbo motors?

I am curious what it would be translated into U.S measurements.

Further could even be actual posts of dyno numbers from members that have had their car on a dyno...
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- modified

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Old 03-05-2013, 06:35 AM
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200D: 113 Nm @ 2400 rpm
220D: 126 Nm @ 2400 rpm
240D: 137 Nm @ 2400 rpm
300D N/A: 172 Nm @ 2400 rpm
300D Turbo:
up to Sept 1982: 230 Nm @ 2400 rpm
from Oct 1982: 250 Nm @ 2400 rpm
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Old 03-05-2013, 07:23 AM
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200D: 113 Nm @ 2400 rpm
220D: 126 Nm @ 2400 rpm
240D: 137 Nm @ 2400 rpm
300D N/A: 172 Nm @ 2400 rpm
300D Turbo:
up to Sept 1982: 230 Nm @ 2400 rpm
from Oct 1982: 250 Nm @ 2400 rpm

I think you will find there were more than 1 rating for the N/A's.
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Old 03-05-2013, 12:09 PM
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I think you will find there were more than 1 rating for the N/A's.
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200D: 113 Nm @ 2400 rpm
220D: 126 Nm @ 2400 rpm
240D: 137 Nm @ 2400 rpm
300D N/A: 172 Nm @ 2400 rpm
300D Turbo:
up to Sept 1982: 230 Nm @ 2400 rpm
from Oct 1982: 250 Nm @ 2400 rpm
Thanks guys, Now, I wonder if there are different torque ratings for the 617 n/a ... in regards to the ones from europe with the m-injection pump compared to the U.S version with the mw-pump.

What makes the difference of twenty Nm between the up to-82 and 83-85?
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Old 03-05-2013, 12:25 PM
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200D: 113 Nm @ 2400 rpm = 83.394 lbs/ft
220D: 126 Nm @ 2400 rpm = 92.988 lbs/ft
240D: 137 Nm @ 2400 rpm = 101.106 lbs/ft
300D N/A: 172 Nm @ 2400 rpm = 126.936 lbs/ft
300D Turbo:
up to Sept 1982: 230 Nm @ 2400 rpm = 169.74 lbs/ft
from Oct 1982: 250 Nm @ 2400 rpm = 184.5 lbs/ft

There... converted to lbs feet of torque.
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Old 03-05-2013, 12:30 PM
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The w123 page on Wikipedia is actually pretty good in this area there is a big spread sheet for US motors as well as European motors and their outputs.
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Old 03-05-2013, 01:15 PM
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The w123 page on Wikipedia is actually pretty good in this area there is a big spread sheet for US motors as well as European motors and their outputs.
Just checked it out. I thought I looked at that Wiki site awhile back and did'nt notice that chart with the torque figures at the time.... but it is there like you say, Thanks. there is alot of good info on there. It seems,however there is a small difference in the torque values given on wikipedia for the turbo 617 of 5 nm compared to Goverts data in post #2. Govert says 250 nM and Wiki says 245 nM. Not a big deal.

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macdoe, that is the whole point of wikipedia. none of the content would be there if it weren't written collaboratively by volunteers....
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Old 03-05-2013, 04:21 PM
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Oh is that how it is done. The kids were telling me that their school told them not to take the data too seriously for class reports due to innaccuracy of data. I thought it was strange, but if that is how it is, then I suppose that would fit with what the school has told the kids. Thanks.
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Old 03-05-2013, 05:00 PM
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Oh is that how it is done. The kids were telling me that their school told them not to take the data too seriously for class reports due to innaccuracy of data. I thought it was strange, but if that is how it is, then I suppose that would fit with what the school has told the kids. Thanks.

As long as its not political or somehow otherwise controversial, I find wikipedia pretty reliable so acquiring basic history information, but things like facts and figures of engines is stuff that is written definitively in other places, its just easy to find on wikipedia so that stuff is also reliable.

I wouldn't use wikipedia to write a history paper, but I use it all the time for car information, there isn't much reason for people to post "opinion" pieces on car articles.
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Old 03-05-2013, 10:59 PM
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As long as its not political or somehow otherwise controversial, I find wikipedia pretty reliable so acquiring basic history information, but things like facts and figures of engines is stuff that is written definitively in other places, its just easy to find on wikipedia so that stuff is also reliable.

I wouldn't use wikipedia to write a history paper, but I use it all the time for car information, there isn't much reason for people to post "opinion" pieces on car articles.
OK, I understand....seems in this case there is a slight discrepancy in figures posted in both places, but anyhow thanks for the info. and torque figures.

Govert, where did you pull your figures from?
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Old 03-06-2013, 04:25 AM
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From MB itself:

Kategorie:W123/en

There click on "Engine"

The power output of engines can differ depending on the SAE or DIN method of measuring.
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Old 03-06-2013, 04:30 AM
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Thanks guys, Now, I wonder if there are different torque ratings for the 617 n/a ... in regards to the ones from europe with the m-injection pump compared to the U.S version with the mw-pump.

What makes the difference of twenty Nm between the up to-82 and 83-85?
The Euro 240D and 300D versions had MW pumps too, but not on the later models (after approx. 1978/1980) I think.

The increased torque after 1983 might have something to do with the different turbo?

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