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At first I thought it was the same filter, but now I see a used and new filter in the photos....Rich EDIT: The text on the photo says "OE filter from the dealer", so I assumed that the photo was of a "new" OE filter from the dealer. |
I screwed up earlier today and posted the following in the wrong (earlier) thread:
Side tangent? Same (basic) engine, but DIFFERENT filter designs! I just bought a '98 w210 yesterday with a turbo OM606 engine. I also have a '95 w124 with the normally aspirated OM606 engine. While creating a parts list for the new car, I noticed that the oil filter is a pleated ONLY design - there is no "tin can" section at all. Conversely, the filter for the 1995 NA 606 has the tin can section. Just to confuse things more, I looked up the filter for a '96 w210 which has the NA 606 (like the '95 124) - and it uses the pleated only design. Hmmmmmm...... |
The “pleated only” vs. “combination” filters being factory designated for the same basic engine family was pointed out to indicate that this could all be a bit more esoteric than we realize.
While I would never advocate NO filter like the ’53 chevy truck mentioned in the other thread, “fine particle” filtering capabilities came more into play as oil additive packages, machining tolerances, and engine metallurgy became better & better, and therefore drain intervals became longer. On many of the race engines I used to build (Super Vee’s, Cosworth BDD’s (Formula Atlantic), and various small-bore SCCA stuff) we oftentimes used “Oberg” oil filters. Those were essentially a flat metal screen sandwiched between two aluminum plates. They would catch “the big chunks”, but nothing else. No problem because the oil was changed every race weekend. I don’t know if anyone remembers this, but years ago there were bypass filters that used toilet paper rolls as a filtration media. (!) They were advertised as a way to extend the oil change intervals to a ridiculous level, or to NEVER change your oil again if used with (early) synthetic oils. This was obviously long before us mere mortals knew anything about additive packages & depletion. Does anybody remember “Arco Graphite” oil? That would be an interesting combo – a toilet paper filter & Arco Graphite. Talk about constipation…. :cool: |
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I am getting a filter migrane.... :D
So I should toss my wix and get a mann? Even if I do an oil change about ever 1500 miles? |
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The Frantz is still made and the New and used ones can be had on Ebay. Even the used ones are not cheap. The Guy that made the Motorguards got tired of the critisizm and stopped making them for use on Engines. The new Motorguards are made for dewatering and Filterering Compressed Air. And, I was told by one of the Members that they cannot be used as Oil Filters because they now have Plastic Parts inside that do not hold up to Hot Oil. On US and Austrailian Ebay there is a Filter Called the Jackmaster that uses Toilet Paper and is still being sold. Gulfcoast has Bypass Oil Flters that can uses Paper Towel Rolls or Toilet Paper. However, they have their own Elements and claim they are presently used on Commercial Vehicles as Oil and Hydraulic Filters. There has been a bunch of other Makers Oil Filters that can use Toilet Paper Elements for Car and Pickup Truck sized Vehicles but they don't seem to have caught on like the Frantz did. Do a Google image Search for Toilet Paper Oil Filter and see what you come up with. There is High End Bypass Oil Filters that have sort of time release Addatives built into the Filter Elements. |
Did the '98 & '99 turbos require synthetic per factory recommendations? (for warranty compliance?) Or was conventional oil acceptable per MBZ also?
I also thought about the increased flow requirements with the turbo bleeding off oil from the gallery. Perhaps the piston squirters may have a higher flow rate too? (NOTE: hypothetical and NOT based on anything other than speculation. I would need to research that.) IDK if the oil pump is the same, or if the turbo version flows more. Either way, filters with that much surface area would NOT be restricting flow - and we are getting way off base here, thus the "filter migraine" epidemic. I think the next time I change my oil, I'll just stuff some old gym socks with the polyester fluff out of an old bed pillow. Then I'll cram as many of those socks as I can into the oil filter canister and button it up. FREE oil filters! Yay! :P |
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In all seriousness, toilet paper filters can be surprisingly effective for the right applications. And the replacement elements are cheaper than s*it. :rolleyes: |
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Sorry, I don't have any photos of a new, OE Genuine Mercedes filter cut apart. :scooter: |
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