Parts Catalog Accessories Catalog How To Articles Tech Forums
Call Pelican Parts at 888-280-7799
Shopping Cart Cart | Project List | Order Status | Help



Go Back   PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum > Mercedes-Benz Tech Information and Support > Diesel Discussion

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 09-16-2014, 10:28 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: San Diego
Posts: 3,589
Question Fuel tank pressure after driving.

This is something always puzzles me when I open the tank cap. What should be the fuel tank pressure after driving for a while, say 50 miles and consumed 2 gallons of diesel?

1) The pressure should be = atmosphere - because of the vent.
2) The pressure should be < atmosphere - because of fuel consumed.
3) The pressure should be > atmosphere - because fuel is heated and air expanded inside the tank.

What should it be? If it is not what it should be then what is wrong and how to fix it?

Thanks
__________________
Not MBZ nor A/C trained professional but a die-hard DIY and green engineer. Use the info at your own peril. Picked up 2 Infractions because of disagreements. NOW reversed.

W124 Keyless remote, PM for details. http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/mercedes-used-parts-sale-wanted/334620-fs-w124-chasis-keyless-remote-%2450-shipped.html

1 X 2006 CDI
1 x 87 300SDL
1 x 87 300D
1 x 87 300TDT wagon
1 x 83 300D
1 x 84 190D ( 5 sp ) - All R134 converted + keyless entry.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 09-16-2014, 11:39 AM
mach4's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: San Diego County, CA
Posts: 2,736
Quote:
Originally Posted by ah-kay View Post
This is something always puzzles me when I open the tank cap. What should be the fuel tank pressure after driving for a while, say 50 miles and consumed 2 gallons of fuel
There should be no pressure differential between the tank and ambient because the tank is vented.

If you've got a vacuum, your vent is clogged.
__________________
Current Stable
  • 380SL (diesel)
  • Corvette C5
  • Manx
  • Baja Bug
  • F350 Powerstroke
  • Auburn Boattail Speedster replica
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 09-18-2014, 07:19 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 8,971
Quote:
Originally Posted by mach4 View Post
There should be no pressure differential between the tank and ambient because the tank is vented.
That is factually incorrect. The valve incorporated in the vent will permit both positive and negative pressure differentials in the fuel tank. Same for the fuel cap valve.
__________________
When cryptography is outlawed, bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 09-16-2014, 11:42 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Out in the Boonies of Hot, Dry, Dusty, Windy Nevada
Posts: 9,680
Are you sure it is pressure and not vacuum?
Is the cap hitting you in the Forehead when you remove it? that would be a lot of pressure. LOL.

Im betting you have a vent issue and it is sucking when the cap is loosened.
Even if there is pressure from warm fuel the vent would relieve it.
Check the vent under and behind the L/R wheel.
Not venting can cause a collapsed tank eventually.

Charlie
__________________
there were three HP ratings on the OM616...

1) Not much power
2) Even less power
3) Not nearly enough power!! 240D w/auto

Anyone that thinks a 240D is slow drives too fast.

80 240D Naturally Exasperated, 4-Spd 388k DD 150mph spedo 3:58 Diff

We are advised to NOT judge ALL Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but we are encouraged to judge ALL gun owners by the actions of a few lunatics. Funny how that works
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 09-16-2014, 03:58 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Bedfordshire UK
Posts: 544
I run biodiesel, I have a new tank neck seal but also have a square bit of old motorcycle inner tube fitted over the tank neck to protect the seal from the bio which would render it useless in quite short order .
My tank blows out pressure , noticeable as it sprays out onto the rubber as cap removed, it has done this for thousands of miles.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 09-17-2014, 10:35 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 5,923
Most vent valves only relieve vacuum. There may be a chance you are sucking air into the fuel line and this is pressurizing the tank.

Look for a stream of bubbles in the primary filter. There is a pretty constant static bubble there but no visable process of a bubble stream normally. Also try to see if air is also in the fuel exiting the return line from the injection pump. If you do see a bubble stream I would not expect to see a wet spot where the air is entering the system. You might or might not see some evidence of dampness is a possibility though.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 09-18-2014, 04:43 PM
oldiesel's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: florida
Posts: 677
If you have access to the 124 shop manual look up the tank vent system,it is not a simple vent it is expected to hold some pressure or vacuum.I would send you a link but i am far from home and this laptop does not have the 124 manual
__________________
Red Green "This is only temporary,Unless it works!"

97 E300D 157000 miles
87 300TD ?141k? miles
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 09-18-2014, 07:27 PM
MBeige's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: SoCal
Posts: 3,746
After driving on a hot day I normally feel the fuel cap apply pressure toward my hand the moment they separate from the neck, so I can tell from there it's pressure and not vacuum. This applies mostly to my 190E, and sometimes to my 300D. Both have the new style caps, not the originals.

There are also times when there is no pressure felt.

One time the fuel cap of the 300TE would not budge. I thought it was a vacuum issue. Turns out the locking mechanism of the cap failed (inside got jammed against fuel filler neck). Took a while and a lot of force to get the cap off.

This link is for the gasser (107 and 126); if they are the same as the diesels, according to the PDF, the vent allows air in and out of the tank, depending on need.

Imploded fuel tank - so sad!

Also states that, "A pressure of up to 50 mbar may occur in the fuel tank in a system which is operating properly. If the passage in the vent line from the fuel tank is restricted...the fuel evaporation gases may escape through the filler cap at a pressure of 100-300 mbar."
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On




All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:39 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2024 Pelican Parts, LLC - Posts may be archived for display on the Peach Parts or Pelican Parts Website -    DMCA Registered Agent Contact Page