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Maybe the pics aren't showing it well, and my apologies if so, but those tires look shot to me. Nowhere near 30% tread left. I would have replaced them and not bothered with a repair.
MAYBE run them through the summer and absolutely as a top priority replace them before rain hits again.
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I have used plugs many times over the years and have never had a plug failure. I think they are a great invention.
A few times with a slow leak from a nail I have driven to my repair shop and they can install the plug without even taking the tire off the car or putting it on a lift if the nail is visible! A patch is a lot of work- lift car/remove wheel/ remove tire from wheel/ install patch/remount tire/rebalance tire/reinstall tire/ remove from lift. jz |
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I built homes for a living for about 16 years. Nails and screws in tires is just part of the job. I would guess I have installed a hundred plugs. I have never had a problem with a plug, however, it can be difficult to get the plug through the steel belt, and a poorly installed plug could fail. I consider plugs as permanent. I believe the mention of "temporary" is a CYA statement for those that have trouble installing the plug properly. A simple patch without a plug, is not a proper repair as water and air can get to the steel belt and cause it to deteriorate. A simple patch over a plug is fine, but if the plug is holding air, I would not bother.
I have a steel plug in my pickup tire that has been there for at least 5 years. Sometimes those nails go straight in and don't cause a leak.
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This was a '65 Chrysler, from before Honda built cars. Come to think of it, they must have been bias ply tires. The road is important: The BRP is one of those twisty legacy roads where there are lots of cars, everyone drives too fast and there are no straight lines. Turning and braking with a blown tire is not a good plan, but it may beat running off into the trees. I was lucky to escape undamaged. I think you should verify whether your Mercedes has RWD, it makes a big difference. FWD puts most of the stress on the front end. |
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You have not answered my question if the blowout was related to the plug or something else.
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Good point a patch alone can fail with water getting into the steel belt (it's magnetic, I checked) and cause damage. I bought the plug kit with the 2 tools years ago where the consumables are long gone. The Slime plugs was bought last week and its instructions did not mention using rubber cement. I just watched a few youtube videos on tire plug repair and all of them used cement to coat the tools before insertion, which would make the tools go in easier since the cement acts as a lube. I had a hard time getting the tool in without the cement (had to hammer it in with a mallet) but it sealed fine and did not leak. Good to know both ways work.
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Driven w plugs until I replaced a tire. A temp fix in a sidewall, if it worked at all.
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I would say that overall plugs are like 80 percent reliable. They all work when you first install them but over time they can go bad. I have never had a catastrophic failure from a plugged tire; they just start leaking. Since the late 1980s I have had a Manual Tire Changer I got from Harbor Freight (you also usually need an air compressor other wise it is difficult to get some tires to take the bead enough to inflate). If you have one of those you can do the inside patching. On small Holes I have just roughed up the area inside, degreased with brake cleaner and let it dry well and smeared a dab of Silicon Sealent over the small hole. That is a cheap fix and so far has never failed on me. The real inside tire patchs that are made for the job are actually rather expensive. Also out here if you took a Tire with a side wall puncture even a small one they will refuse to fix it. That is where I started using the Silicon Sealant smeared over the hole. Side walls flex and change shape a lot (likely why they won't patch them any more). Silicon Sealant is thin and flexable and can take the heat. One of the things that sucks about using Tire Plugs is if the hole is small the tools to install the plugs are often larger then the hole. I really hate having to make a hole larger to get the Plug in. They type of Tire Plugs that have been most reliable for me are essentially made from what some sort of cotton strings/thick threads twisted to gether and soaked with some sort of rubber cement. Although you are also supposed to use rubber cement on them. On the plus side there has been many times when I have plugged a tire on the road without removeing the Wheel (I carry littl 12 volt air compressors in each vehicle I own). You can often pull the object that is cusing the leak out and shove the plug in while the Wheel is still on the Car. A needle nose pliers is helpful to pull out the objects. I definatly will continue to use tire plugs as needed.
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The Steel Belts around the area of the hole can rust. I have only noticed this with the type of plugs I use and the area I worked which was a yard with 40 acres of dirt. I found that the plugs which were made of stringy threads cotton threads impregnated with rubber cement it seemed that the dirt absorbed the cement out of them and dried them out and they would at a later date leak. I used my own plugs to fix the company vehicles. There may have been another type of plug that would not have dried out. It was just easier for me to use mine and get the job over with.
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I'm lazy and don't like leaking tires. $12 isn't enough of a savings for me to fool with and, I'd spend money on the kit. I keep a spare inflated and would either get both patched or replace if they're too worn to spend the $12 patching. You have warning that something needs to be done and aren't stuck on the road.
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I had a tire shed an embedded roofing nail (based on the size of the hole, and history of roofing near the driveway) on the way to daycare and it was going flat when I got there. I didn't have enough for a can of fix a flat, but I found a TEK screw from work in the car(self drilling sheet metal screw) that I screwed into the hole. The head of the screw wore off and it stayed in for a year or two. I think the tire later failed at that point though.
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Losing a rear will create an unstable understeer effect. Unless you drive pro rally, probably not something you experience every day. The rear will shake right and left, and the slightest steering input will bring you around. You are significantly more likely to crash if the tire that blows is in the rear. That's why every manufacturer recommends the best two tires go on the rear. Not steering or braking works, but only if the road is straight and clear. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHYt6KC5ZYc https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15823875 It's a little different for FWD, because 70% of the steering and braking will happen up front. |
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Here's lot's of pics of blowouts. With few exceptions, most are on the sidewalls. The few blowouts that are on the treads are likely from hitting pot holes (cutting the tread), and not from a tire plug blowing out. https://www.google.com/search?q=tire+blow+out&rlz=1CATAAB_enUS627US627&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiO2eKS74jVAhVG8j4KHfhEB00Q_AUICigB&biw=960&bih=471
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