Over cooling type issues w/ 1979 300d non turbo

[tdoublenastywitit]

My 300d has a lot of trouble warming up all the way as of late. It had been sitting for about 2 months but now I'm driving it again and temps are in the high 30s outside.

It takes about 10 mins to even reach the first notch on the temp gauge. I think that notch supposed to be 60°C. And it really doesn't get much better than that, it never reaches the 80° mark and usually just hovers in between the first notch and the 80° notch, so somewhere around 70°

All my other om617 sit at about 85 - 90 degrees.

Is the cold weather doing something weird to my coolant? Previous owner could have put too much water in it, I dunno if that would do anything.

My thermostat stuck open?? I just feel like it should reach full op temp even if it was stuck open , just take a lot longer, but it never does.

[Bengoshi2000]

Thermostat... definitely. I had the exact problem recently. If the t-stat is stuck open the engine won't get to op-temp.

[tdoublenastywitit]

How does it stay at full temp once a good working thermo opens up after it gets to 80 then??

Not saying don't agree with u just curious

[Diseasel300]

The Mercedes engines use a bypass style thermostat. When "closed", it closes off circulation through the radiator and only allow recirculation through the block. If the thermostat is stuck open, or stuck partially open, the recirculation won't happen and you'll be circulating water through the radiator. Once enough heat has been built up in the entire cooling system, then the block temp will start rising.

Time for a new thermostat.

[tangofox007]

Originally Posted by tdoublenastywitit

I just feel like it should reach full op temp even if it was stuck open , just take a lot longer, but it never does.

Your theory (or feeling) is quite flawed. The thermostat, when functioning correctly, restricts flow to the radiator in order to "enforce" a specified temperature. If the engine reaches "full op temp" with no restriction, your cooling system has no reserve cooling capacity.

Originally Posted by tdoublenastywitit

How does it stay at full temp once a good working thermo opens up after it gets to 80 then??

It's not appropriate to think of a thermostat as simply "open" or "closed." It operates through a dynamic range in order to maintain a minimum temperature.

[tdoublenastywitit]

Ya but what I'm confused about is that shouldn't after a while the coolant temp should reach full op temp even when stuck open?? Just take a very long time? But it never does.

I'm going to replace the thermo for sure and I agree that it will fix my issue.

Im just curious and confused as to how it could not heat up all the way after a long time

[tdoublenastywitit]

I understand how the thermo works, it stays closed until it reaches the specified opening temp of that thermostat. So in this case, at 80° it opens up at allows coolant to flow thru out the whole system.

So how at this point does a car with a proper thermo maintain its full op temp? Why doesn't it go back down like mine that is stuck open does??

[moon161]

The lower bolt on the T-stat housing tends to be corroded and stuck in there. It's only an M5 or M6 and it's real easy to break when you try and take it off. What ever penetrant and tricks you do to loosen up stuff, start early.

[tangofox007]

Originally Posted by tdoublenastywitit

Im just curious and confused as to how it could not heat up all the way after a long time

Two words: heat transfer. That's why the cooling system exists.

The system does not "heat up all the way" with a functioning thermostat. Why should it do so without one?

Originally Posted by tdoublenastywitit

I understand how the thermo works...

That might be overly optimistic. The thermostat continuously adjusts to regulate coolant flow to maintain the specified minimum temp.

Originally Posted by tdoublenastywitit

So in this case, at 80° it opens up at allows coolant to flow thru out the whole system.

An 80° thermostat starts to actuate at 80° but does not fully actuate until about 95°. The thermostat does not just "open" and call it a day; it continually adjusts coolant flow as necessary to maintain the specified minimum temperature.

[tdoublenastywitit]

Man I love how people on forums feel the need to prove to the world that the guy asking a "stupid" question is an idiot... And then answer the question. Lol... U just found it neccasry to throw ur little jabs into both of ur comments.

[tangofox007]

Originally Posted by tdoublenastywitit

Man I love how people on forums feel the need to prove to the world that the guy asking a "stupid" question is an idiot...

There are limits on "failure to recognize the correct answer when told."

You exceeded the limit.

[73220downer]

Hijacking the thread a bit here, but I'm having the same issue. Ordered a new thermostat already, but will driving with the old one until it gets here hurt anything?

[tangofox007]

Originally Posted by 73220downer

...but will driving with the old one until it gets here hurt anything?

No.

[Bengoshi2000]

Originally Posted by 73220downer

Hijacking the thread a bit here, but I'm having the same issue. Ordered a new thermostat already, but will driving with the old one until it gets here hurt anything?

Short term, no problem.

Long term, could cause some sludge build up because the oil won't get hot enough... at least that's my understanding.

[CDTurbo001]

The thermostat is a variable device - it opens and closes as needed to regulate coolant temperature. They rarely stick closed, usually fully open or work partially but won't close all the way, which will cause a slow warm-up but no overheating.