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HuskyMan 04-23-2018 09:43 PM

Installed new engine shocks, are the rubber spacers oriented correctly?
 
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On the 1984 300T, just completed installation of both new Lemforder motor mounts and new engine shocks. Are the rubber spacers oriented correctly?

Clemson88 04-23-2018 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by HuskyMan (Post 3807273)
On the 1984 300T, just completed installation of both new Lemforder motor mounts and new engine shocks. Are the rubber spacers oriented correctly?

It appears not.

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vwnate1 04-24-2018 09:59 AM

A prime example of why one should do one side at a time and/or take photos _before_ taking things apart....

Diseasel300 04-24-2018 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by vwnate1 (Post 3807369)
A prime example of why one should do one side at a time and/or take photos _before_ taking things apart....

And also listen when multiple forum members tell him the same thing repeatedly!

HuskyMan 04-24-2018 11:41 AM

In the steel body there is a hole the bottom of the shock goes through. There appears to be a round "indent" about the same diameter as the metal fender washer that comes with the mercedes shock mounting kit you can easily see and feel with your hands.

It doesn't make sense to place the metal fender washer at the top of the rubber spacer but what do I know?

vwnate1 04-24-2018 08:15 PM

"It doesn't make sense to place the metal fender washer at the top of the rubber spacer but what do I know?"

Oddly enough, quite possibly more than many here like me with decades of experience, why I always listen to the Newbies explaining how they did it without any clue atall .....

I'm always interested in learning new or different things / ways to get things done .

HuskyMan 04-24-2018 09:59 PM

I'm thinking of installing four (4) #46 washers as shown in the diagram on each engine shock. Two at the top and bottom and the other two, one sitting directly on top of the steel body mount and one directly underneath.

EJHumber 04-27-2018 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by HuskyMan (Post 3807610)
I'm thinking of installing four (4) #46 washers as shown in the diagram on each engine shock. Two at the top and bottom and the other two, one sitting directly on top of the steel body mount and one directly underneath.

and why exactly do you feel its necessary to reinvent the engine shock mounting that has been successfully used on millions of cars?

Clemson88 04-28-2018 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by HuskyMan (Post 3807610)
I'm thinking of installing four (4) #46 washers as shown in the diagram on each engine shock. Two at the top and bottom and the other two, one sitting directly on top of the steel body mount and one directly underneath.

That won't make it better but I doubt it will hurt anything. The first failure of this assembly is the damper bearing and, or the shock absorber. That's why the shaft, nuts, washers and rubber buffers are not larger.

tangofox007 04-28-2018 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by HuskyMan (Post 3807610)
I'm thinking of installing four (4) #46 washers as shown in the diagram on each engine shock. Two at the top and bottom and the other two, one sitting directly on top of the steel body mount and one directly underneath.

Steel on steel. Exactly what rubber on steel was intended to avoid.

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Originally Posted by Clemson88 (Post 3808547)
That won't make it better but I doubt it will hurt anything.

Not until there aren't enough threads left to secure the nut.

Clemson88 04-28-2018 10:09 AM

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Not until there aren't enough threads left to secure the nut.
No comment! :)

BillGrissom 04-28-2018 12:40 PM

Not sure why you are confused. It is that same attachment as a sway bar link in classic U.S. muscle cars (Google Images). You want rubber on both sides of the steel frame. It will work as you installed, but might rattle. Might also extend the shock too far and rip the upper mount.

Clemson88 04-28-2018 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by BillGrissom (Post 3808578)
Not sure why you are confused. It is that same attachment as a sway bar link in classic U.S. muscle cars (Google Images). You want rubber on both sides of the steel frame. It will work as you installed, but might rattle. Might also extend the shock too far and rip the upper mount.

More likely to shear the rubber bushing when he shuts it off the engine and the jerk causes that little washer to start eating away at the tiny area on which it bears. The idea was to have as large a bearing area on the rubber buffer as possible. The engineers decided (probably didn't even think about it) to use the entire area of the buffer for bearing.

That tells me that the rubber buffers won't take shear, not a little or a lot. Actually, common sense explained it to me and probably most member here. All the engineering carp was for the knuckleheads who need an explanation.

NZScott 04-28-2018 06:30 PM

OP might not realise there's a slotted hole in one of the "disk washers" which fits onto the shaft so the shock has something to push on, otherwise the washer would be free to do what it likes and the whole thing serves no purpose.

HuskyMan 05-28-2018 08:47 PM

Changed the rubber washers to their correct orientation today. The engine is smoother, no knocking or clunking when turning off the engine. Still plenty of work to do on this beast!!


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